'Unfair to target BJP alone' (Exclusive interview with Capt Ganesh Karnik)

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December 21, 2010
A rare personality who has seen the bullet life as an army man and who is now actively involved in the state politics, Capt Ganesh Karnik, MLC, Deputy Chairman, NRI Forum, Govenment of Karnataka, speaks in depth about his experiences as a soldier, his vision as a politician, and the current political scenario with Edmond Fernandes:

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1. What made you join Politics? Considering the fact that you were in the Indian Army?

Well, Politics now & Army then. I have not looked at them separately; For me, both army and politics are platforms providing an opportunity to serve my motherland. I was a soldier in the army and I would love to be a soldier in politics too. Many have been asking me, “after army why politics”? But I have always felt, “Why not politics”? I truly understand why this question is being asked and I acknowledge the respect every citizen has for armed forces.

2. Why is the BJP Government facing so much crisis at the state?

BJP came to power in Karnataka under strange circumstances and with no majority. In politics we have to compromise in many ways to accept the verdict and govern. I do admit that there have been mistakes due to lack of experience and governance. But, there is so much crisis at the Center too. We have seen the problems CWG, the Adarsh Society, 2G spectrum etc…. why is it that only BJP Government is targeted?

In the state we have come to power recently and we have done fairly well during initial two and half years as far as implementation of people friendly initiatives, policies and programmes are concerned. We are a young government and will take some more time to mature.

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3. Being the Member of Legislative Council, what plans do the legislators have for Karnataka at large?

The debates at the Legislative forums have become a big farce in the recent years. As we all have noticed, no healthy debate takes place on any serious issue before policies are made. We have no time except for dirty politicking. Our Country is huge and problems are infinite. I may not speak for everybody while saying this. Before talking about policies, programs and initiatives, I think the need of the hour is to bring in a sense of order, discipline and decorum in all the legislative proceedings at all levels. We need to send people with merit and character to legislative forums, to have quality debate and ensure good governance.

But at this juncture, I would like to make an appeal, with utmost humility, that the current problem of Indian politics is lack of enlightened citizenship which has not been producing enlightened leadership. We should bring in accountability and responsibility at all levels so as to ensure professionalism in governance and in politics.

4. Observing the animal behavior in the recent trust vote, do you think Indian Politics is not for intellects?

I have a small observation in this regard, “the indifference shown by intellectuals towards many crises the country has been facing is also animal like. Either accept it, or jump into politics. I don’t disagree that the recent trend of collective misbehavior needs to be checked. Collectively we have failed, but excelled individually. Let us be the change agents to bring in the change that we want to see. I don’t know who is an “intellectual”.


5. You are the Deputy Chairman of NRI Forum, Karnataka. Tell us something about it?

It’s a new initiative of the government. The NRI Forum, Karnataka was established as a platform to have a network with the global diaspora of Indian origin who have interest in Karnataka. It is not only meant for global Kannadigas as generally acknowledged as Kannadiga means a person who speaks Kannada. It is for every Non Resident Indian who has some kind of interest in Karnataka and NRI Forum is a meeting point at the government for all such persons.

It also envisages creating a database which will be continuously updated as and when we access more information, so that we can network with the global diaspora.

We also propose to establish a “Migration Facilitation Centre” at selected places to provide pre-emigration training and orientation to prepare those who are seeking employment abroad in association, with Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs at the Centre.

Investment in knowledge as a capital is more important than any other investments in this century, known as “Century of Knowledge”. In this regard, NRI Forum, Karnataka envisages establishment of “Knowledge and Skill Bank,” a global platform of technically skilled and competent resource persons from various fields who can contribute by sharing their experience with our students and institutions.

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6. Recently you had been to Oman and Kuwait, what was the purpose?

Our people in Kuwait and Oman were celebrating “Kannada Rajyayostava”. I went there on their invitation, with greetings and best wishes from People of Karnataka. But I used this opportunity to network and to promote establishment of “Karnataka Business Forum” at Muscat, which is likely to be inaugurated in January, 2011.


7. Any Episode in the Army Camp, which is etched in your memory?

In the army, everyday was a pleasant memory. I have seen tremendous sacrifices, hardships and commitment of men. A particular incident I remember was at a time, when I was manning an observation post at 18000’ plus in the Himalayas along with a JCO (Junior Commissioned Officer) and 9 men. Suddenly, the JCO collapsed due to Pulmonary Edema (a high attitude sickness). We should have put him on oxygen and taken him down for medical assistance. But due to bad weather, the JCO succumbed to his fate, and I saw him dying in front of me, in futile submission. I was helpless, I was young and I had to take care of another nine soldiers. Living with my men in the same bunker for next 36 hours with the departed soldier and keeping the morale of my troops was a difficult task.


Once I was visiting the next picket a few kilometers away along with a soldier and a dog, which had become a part of our small group. As the weather packed up we lost our direction and were roaming around without knowing where to reach the destination for almost 3-4 hours. As the picket was along the China border and the news spread, there was panic. Once I safely reached, I was taken to task.

8. Many youngsters refrain from joining the defence forces of the country, What is the reason? They generally opt for mainstream Engineering and Medicine!

We have not done anything to instill national pride in the minds of “Young India”, through our school and college education. Money is the only driving force to inspire you to do anything. As army does not pay, and the way corporate world pays, youth do not show any interest. As a society we should wake up and instill national pride in the young minds. This does not mean young India doesn’t have national pride. In most cases it is limited to painting the face with tricolor during a cricket match or celebrating with crackers after a win. Honouring dead soldiers is our duty. But looking after our living soldier with respect and concern is the need of the hour. We need to ignite the young minds to accept “Armed Forces” as a possible career option too.

9. What is the take back message you would like to give to youngsters about life in Indian Army?

It’s the best service and makes a man out of you. If given another chance, I would love to work in the armed forces again. Gives you rich experience, exposes you to adventure and sports, makes you feel what is life all about along the border, teaches you to live for a national value. The Question is, “Do you have it in you?” “Experience Armed Forces” and be a soldier in whatever you do.

10. What message would you like to give the people through Coastaldigest.com?

We live in a great country with a great history and diverse culture, which has great people with a great future. With our rich cultural Heritage, we can answer many unanswered questions in the materialistic world.

My appeal to my countrymen is to passionately get involved in whatever they do, achieve absolute professionalism, aiming at perfection so that we can achieve excellence. This is the only way each one of us can contribute in nation building. Like a true soldier, I would say “In everything I do, it is my nation which comes first and everything next”


Jai Hind.


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Wafa Sultana
April 4,2020

Over the last couple of days when the world was occupied with unifying efforts to fight the deadly Covid19 pandemic, sections of Indian media provided viewers a familiar scapegoat – the Indian Muslims – who are often stereotyped as a community being constantly at loggerheads with the citizenry and the State. Biased media channels were quick to resort to blaming the entire Muslim community for the spread of the disease in the country, thanks to an ill-timed Tablighi Jamaat gathering at its international headquarters in Delhi’s Nizamuddin. Unsurprisingly, the opprobrium was also marked by a sudden spike in WhatsApp forwards of videos with people wearing skullcaps licking spoons and performing Sufi breathing rituals, suggesting some sort of wild conspiracy on the part of the community to spread the virus.  Some media channels were quick to formulate, hypothesize and provide loose definitions of a newly discovered form of Jihad i.e. ‘Corona Jihad ’ thereby vilifying the Islamic faith and its followers.

While the investigation on the culpability of the organizers of the Nizamuddin event is still ongoing, there is enough information to suggest that the meeting was held before any lockdown was in force, and the problem began when there was no way of getting people out once the curfew was announced. Be that as it may, there is little doubt that organizing a meet of such a scale when there is a global pandemic smacks of gross misjudgment, and definitely the organizers should be held accountable if laws or public orders were defied. Attendees who attempt to defy quarantine measures must be dealt with strictly. However, what is alarming is that the focus and narrative have now shifted from the unfortunate event at Nizamuddin to the Tablighi Jamaat itself.

For those not familiar with the Tablighi Jamaat, the organization was founded in 1926 in Mewat by scholar Maulana Mohammad Ilyas. The Jamaat’s main objective was to get Muslim youth to learn and practice pristine Islam shorn of external influences. This is achieved through individuals dedicating time for moral and spiritual upliftment secluded from the rest of the world for a brief period of time. There is no formal membership process. More senior and experienced participants typically travel from one mosque to other delivering talks on religious topics, inviting local youth to attend and then volunteer for a spiritual retreat for a fixed number of days to a mosque in a nearby town or village to present the message to their co-religionists. Contrary to ongoing Islamophobic rhetoric, the movement does not actively proselytize. The focus is rather on getting Muslims to learn the teachings and practices of Islam.  This grassroots India-based movement has now grown to almost all countries with substantial Muslim populations. Its annual meets, or ‘ijtemas’ are among the largest Islamic congregations in the world after the annual Haj. One of the reasons for its popularity and wide network in the subcontinent and wordwide is the fact that it has eschewed the need for scholarly intervention, focusing on peer learning of fundamental beliefs and practice rather than high-falutin ideological debates. The Tablighi Jamaat also distinguishes itself from other Islamic movements through its strictly apolitical nature, with a focus on individual self-improvement rather than political mobilization. Hardships and difficulty in the world are expected to be face through ‘sabr’ (patience) and ‘dua’ (supplication),  than through quest for political power or influence. In terms of ideology, it is very much based on mainstream Sunni Islamic principles derived from the Deobandi school.

So, why is all this background important in the current context? While biased media entities have expectedly brought out their Islamophobic paraphernalia out for full display, more neutral commentators have tried to paint the Tablighi Jamaat as a fringe group and have tried to distance it from 'mainstream Muslims'. While the intent is no doubt innocent, this is a trap we must not fall into. This narrative, unfortunately, is also gaining ground due to apathy some Muslims have for the group, accusing it of being “disconnected from the realities of the world”. Unlike other Muslim organizations and movements, the Tablighi Jamat, by virtue of its political indifference, does not boast of high-profile advocates and savvy spokespersons who can defend it in mainstream or social media.  The use of adjectives such as 'outdated' and 'orthodox' by liberal columnists to describe the Jamaat feeds into the malignant attempt to change the narrative from the control of the spread of the pandemic due to the Nizamuddin gathering to 'raison d'etre' of the organization itself.

A large mainstream religious group like the Tablighi Jamaat with nearly a hundred-year history, normally considered to be peaceful, apolitical and minding its own business is now suddenly being villainized owing to unfortunate circumstances. Biased media reactions filled with disgust and hate seem to feed the Indian public conscience with a danngerous misconception - to be a nominal Muslim is okay but being a practicing one is not.  For those committed to the truth and fighting the spread of Islamophobia, the temptation to throw the entire Tablighi Jamaat under the bus must be resisted.

The writer is a lawyer and research scholar at Qatar University. Her research interests include Islamic law and politics.

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zahoorahmed
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Saturday, 4 Apr 2020

great article! provides a great perspective on tableeg jamat

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Ram Puniyani
July 20,2020

As Covid 19 has created havoc all rounds, the rulers of certain countries are using it to further intensify their set agendas. The democratic freedoms are being curtailed in certain forms, the reaction to which has come in America in the form of a campaign, which is opposing “stifling” cultural climate that is imposing “ideological conformity” and weakening “norms of open debate and toleration of differences”. In India similar intimidations have been intensified. In addition the occasion has been used by the sectarian forces first to link the spread of Corona to Muslim community and now in the name of reducing the burden of curriculum certain chapters on core concepts related to Indian nationalism are being deleted from the text books.

It has been reported that chapters on federalism, citizenship, nationalism, secularism, Human Rights, Legal Aid and Local Self Government and the like are being dropped. Education has been an important area for communal forces and they constantly keep saying that leftists have dominated the curriculum content, it suffers from the impact of Macaulay, Marx and Mohammad and so needs to be Indianized. The first such attempt was done when BJP came to power in 1998 as NDA and had Murli Manohar Joshi as the MHRD minister. He brought the changes which were termed as ‘saffronization of education’. Their focus is more on social science. Some of the highlights of this were introduction of subjects like Astrology and Paurohitya, and chapters defending caste system, nationalism of the type of Hitler was praised.

With defeat of NDA in 2004, the UPA did try to rectify some of these distortions. Again after 2014 the RSS affiliates working in the area of education have been active, interacting with MHRD officials to impress upon them the need to change the curriculum matching with their Hindu nationalist agenda. Its ‘Shiksha Sanskriti Utthan Nyas’ has been asking for removal of English, Urdu words in the texts. It has asked for removal of thoughts of Rabindranath Tagore on Nationalism, extracts of autobiography of M F Husain, references to benevolence of Muslim rulers, references to BJP being Hindu party, apology of Dr. Manmohan Singh for anti Sikh pogrom of 1984, the reference to killings of Gujarat carnage in 2002 among others. This they call as Bhartiykaran of syllabus.

As RSS is a multithreaded hydra one of its pracharak Dinanath Batra has set up ‘Shiksha Bachao Abhiyan Samiti’ which has been pressurizing various publishers to drop the books which are not conforming to their ideology. One recalls their pressuring withdrawal of Wendy Doniger’s ‘The Hindus’, as it does present the ancient India through the concerns of dalits and women. Mr. Batra has already come out with a set of nine books for school curriculum, giving the RSS view of the past and RSS understanding of social sciences. These have already been translated into Gujarati and thousands of the sets of these books are being used in Gujarat Schools.

The present step of deleting parts of curriculum which gives the basics of Indian Nationalism, secularism and human rights is a further step in the same direction. These are the topics which have made the Hindu nationalists uncomfortable during last few years. They have been defaming secularism. They removed it from the preamble of Indian constitution, when they put out an ad on the eve of Republic day in 2015. From last few decades since the Ram Temple movement was brought up, simultaneously the secular ethos of India’s freedom movement and secular values of Indian constitution have been constantly criticized. Many an RSS ideologues and BJP leaders have been asking for change of Indian Constitution for this very reason.

Secularism is part of the concept of Indian nationalism. In the name of religious nationalism, sectarian divisive nationalism they have been attacking various student leaders in particular. When we study Nationalism, the very genesis of Indian nationalism tells us the plurality of our freedom movement with its anti colonial roots. The struggle was for Indian nationalism and so the Muslims and Hindu communalists kept aloof from this great struggle against colonial masters, it was this struggle which built the Indian nation with all its diversity.

Similarly as we have equal rights as citizens the chapters on citizenship are being dropped. Federalism has been the core part of India’s administrative and political structure. As the dictatorial tendencies are becoming stronger, federalism is bound to suffer and that explains the dropping of this subject. Democracy is decentralization of power. Power reaching the lowermost part of the system, the villages and average citizens. This got reflected in Local self Government. The power is distributed among villages, cities, state and center. By removing chapters on federalism and local self government, the indications of the ideology of ruling party are on display.

While we are not dealing with all the portents of the planned omissions, one more aspect that related to dropping of chapter on Human rights needs our attention. The concept of Human rights and dignity are interlinked. This concept of Human rights also has international ramifications. India is signatory to many an UN covenants related to Human rights. The indications are clear that now rights will be for the few elite and ‘duties’ for the large deprived sections will be put on the forefront.

In a way this incidental ‘Corona gifted opportunity’ to the ruling Government is being fully used to enhance the agenda of ruling party in the arena of Educational Curriculum. The part of curriculum with which the ruling party is uncomfortable is being removed. This act of omission does supplement their other acts of commission in changing the shape of educational curriculum, which are reflected in RSS affiliates’ suggestions to MHRD regarding Bhartiyakaran of contents of syllabus. As per this the things like regarding the great epics like Ramayana and Mahabharata as History, the things like India having all the stem cell technology, plastic surgery, aviation science etc. will have a place in the changes planned by communal forces!

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Ram Puniyani
February 22,2020

This January 2020, it is thirty years since the Kashmiri Pundits’ exodus from the Kashmir valley took place. They had suffered grave injustices, violence and humiliation prior to the migration away from the place of their social and cultural roots in Kashmir Valley. The phenomenon of this exodus had been due to the communalization of militancy in Kashmir in the decade of 1980s. While no ruling Government has applied itself enough to ‘solve’ this uprooting of pundits from their roots, there are communal elements who have been aggressively using ‘what about Kashmiri Pundits?’, every time liberal, human rights defenders talk about the plight of Muslim minority in India. This minority is now facing an overall erosion of their citizenship rights.

Time and over again in the aftermath of communal violence in particular, the human rights groups have been trying to put forward the demands for justice and rehabilitation of the victim minority. Instead of being listened to those particularly from Hindu nationalist combine, as a matter of routine shout back, where were you when Kashmiri Pundits were driven away from the Valley? In a way the tragedy being heaped on one minority is being justified in the name of suffering of Pundits and in the process violence is being normalized. This sounds as if two wrongs make a right, as if the suffering Muslim minority or those who are trying to talk in defense of minority rights have been responsible for the pain of Kashmiri Pundits.

During these three, many political formations have come to power, including BJP, Congress, third front and what have you. To begin with when the exodus took place Kashmir was under President’s rule and V. P. Singh Government was in power at the center. This Government had the external support of BJP at that time. Later BJP led NDA came to power for close to six years from 1998, under the leadership of Atal Bihari Vajpayee. Then from 2014 it is BJP, with Narerda Modi as PM, with BJP brute majority is in power. Other components of NDA are there to enjoy some spoils of power without any say in the policies being pursued by the Government. Modi is having absolute power with Amit Shah occasionally presenting Modi’s viewpoints.

Those blurting, ‘what about Kashmiri Pundits?’ are using it as a mere rhetoric to hide their communal color. The matters of Kashmir are very disturbing and cannot be attributed to be the making of Indian Muslims as it is being projected in an overt and subtle manner. Today, of course the steps taken by the Modi Government, that of abrogation of Article 370, abolition of clause 35 A, downgrading the status of Kashmir from a state to union territory have created a situation where the return of Kashmiri Pundits may have become more difficult, as the local atmosphere is more stifling and the leaders with democratic potential have been slapped with Public Safety Act, where they can be interned for long time without any answerability to the Courts. The internet had been suspended, communication being stifled in an atmosphere where democratic freedoms are curtailed which makes solution of any problem more difficult.

Kashmir has been a vexed issue where the suppression of the clause of autonomy, leading to alienation led to rise of militancy. This was duly supported by Pakistan. The entry of Al Qaeda elements, who having played their role against Russian army in 1980s entered into Kashmir and communalized the situation in Kashmir. The initial Kashmir militancy was on the grounds of Kashmiriyat. Kashmiriyat is not Islam, it is synthesis of teachings of Buddha, values of Vedant and preaching’s of Sufi Islam. The tormenting of Kashmiri Pundits begins with these elements entering Kashmir.

Also the pundits, who have been the integral part of Kashmir Valley, were urged upon by Goodwill mission to stay on, with local Muslims promising to counter the anti Pundit atmosphere. Jagmohan, the Governor, who later became a minister in NDA Government, instead of providing security to the Pundits thought, is fit to provide facilities for their mass migration. He could have intensified counter militancy and protected the vulnerable Pundit community. Why this was not done?

Today, ‘What about Kashmiri Pundits?’ needs to be given a serious thought away from the blame game or using it as a hammer to beat the ‘Muslims of India’ or human rights defenders? The previous NDA regime (2014) had thought of setting up enclosures of Pundits in the Valley. Is that a solution? Solution lies in giving justice to them. There is a need for judicial commission to identify the culprits and legal measures to reassure the Pundit community. Will they like to return if the high handed stifling atmosphere, with large number of military being present in the area? The cultural and religious spaces of Pundits need to be revived and Kashmiryat has to be made the base of any reconciliation process.

Surely, the Al Qaeda type elements do not represent the alienation of local Kashmiris, who need to be drawn into the process of dialogue for a peaceful Kashmir, which is the best guarantee for progress in this ex-state, now a Union territory. Communal amity, the hallmark of Kashmir cannot be brought in by changing the demographic composition by settling outsiders in the Valley. A true introspection is needed for this troubled area. Democracy is the only path for solving the emigration of Pundits and also of large numbers of Muslims, who also had to leave the valley due to the intimidating militancy and presence of armed forces in large numbers. One recalls Times of India report of 5th February 1992 which states that militants killed 1585 people from January 1990 to October 1992 out of which 982 were Muslims and 218 Hindus.

We have been taking a path where democratic norms are being stifled, and the promises of autonomy which were part of treaty of accession being ignored. Can it solve the problem of Pundits?

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