T20 WC would be the 'real' World Cup in future (Exclusive Interview with Chris Cairns)

Abrar Ahmed Khan
February 24, 2011

With exceptional batting as well as bowling skills, Former New Zealand cricketer Chris Cairns is regarded as one of the best cricket all-rounders to have played at the international level. He is in Mangalore to play a charity T20 match to raise funds to help the needy. The earstwhile Kiwi skipper shares his thoughts on cricket, his Foundation, the World Cup and more with Abrar Ahmed Khan:

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You are here to play a charity T20 match to raise funds for the needy. Tell us more about the Chris Cairns Foundation…
We are involved with helping young children who are hearing impaired. The reason that I’m involved with that is because my father had lost 90% of his hearing and he had a cochlear implant and now he has 90% hearing. I have seen what it has done to him and how it changed his life. So its an opportunity to try and help youngsters to give them a new way of life. We are starting very small but we want to grow and make a difference to those who can’t afford to make use of the technology.

New Zealand is currently coping with the earthquake mishap…Your Foundation must be pretty much involved with relief and related activities there as well…

I have a Foundation in New Zealand and I carry out charity activities there as well. The earthquake incident is a catastrophic event. It has hit my place. Christchurch is where I am from. I have been speaking to my mother ten times a day making sure everything is okay back home. All my friends are thankfully okay, but there would be hundreds in New Zealand who are not. The day when the final death toll would be released, would be the darkest and the most catastrophic day in New Zealand’s history. We are a young nation. This event will live long in the memories of all New Zealanders. Its very sad.

The earthquake has pumped up the New Zealand cricket team though. Players from the team have said already that they would want to cheer their countrymen up by performing well in the WC. Your thoughts on NZ’s chances in the tournament?

I think it’s a very open tournament. It ‘really’ begins in the quarter finals in a couple of weeks’ time. I think any team has the capability to win it. India and Sri Lanka are probably the two favourite teams but its anybody’s tournament.

The World Cup is a nice time to see some exciting on-field rivalries in world cricket. India-Pakistan and Australia-England stand right up there. However, a lesser known rivalry is the New Zealand-Australia rivalry. What is the history behind this one, in the sense, why is it that your neighbours, the Aussies, are considered your traditional rivals?

We are neighbours like India and Pakistan are. There is a close proximity to each other. We compete in all forms be it politics or sports. We are not too dissimilar to each other. That’s why there is that closeness and that competition.

Talking about Australia, most cricket pundits across the globe are of the opinion that the Kangaroos are no longer the dominant force they once were, and are now in the process of experiencing a downfall on the same lines as the West Indies. You agree with them?

Oh absolutely. When you take players of the likes of Gilchrist, Warne, Hayden, Langer, McGrath, and Gillespie out of the team, of course you’re going to be weaker, until the new lot of guys come through and gain experience. Same with India. Maybe, in a couple of years’ time, after losing the likes of Sachin, Laxman and Dravid, it will be tough for India for a few years, until the youngsters get experienced. The fans have to be patient. In today’s environment, fans don’t have patience and so is the case with most media.

A common perception today is that the passion for cricket is up and rising in subcontinent countries while it is diminishing in most countries including New Zealand where there are other sports like Rugby that attract people. To top it all, the ICC has recently announced that associate nations won’t be a part of the 2015 World Cup, igniting more debates about the game not being allowed to grow worldwide. Do you see a gloomy future for cricket with these developments?
No not really. They have increased the T20 World Cup competition to 16 teams. So they are projecting T20 as the future of the game along with the ICC Test Championship. Where we go with the 50 over game after 2015, I’m not sure. The 2015 World Cup with countries out of it is a diminished product and it seems that the T20 World Cup is the true World Cup rather than what would be a Champions Trophy kind of tournament in Australia / New Zealand in 2015.

You have played in a few World Cups. Which is your favourite World Cup moment?

Well, we have only been able to reach semifinals in World Cups. One of the special moments could be beating Australia in 1999. We had a wonderful tournament in 1992. I feel the best team we had in a World Cup, which I was a part of, was the 2003 World Cup. We had chosen not to go to Kenya back then which cost us points and it meant we were under pressure in the Super Six stage. I feel the best chance we had was in 2003 as that side was a very good side. Unfortunately we needed to beat India in a knock out match and we lost that game at Centurion. It’s mixed for me, the World Cup, as we never won it.

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In the current World Cup, teams have rather easily scored in excess of 300. The Netherlands scored 292 the other day. You think T20 has had its impact on the ODI format already?

Yes, from 2007, the game has advanced 30-40 runs per innings, purely because of T20 and the understanding of the ability to hit the ball. T20 has given players a certain way which, maybe they wouldn’t have explored in 50 over cricket. It has freed up the scoring and that’s why the scores today are bigger.

What is your take on the UDRS system?

I think it’s brilliant. It’s a good innovation. The umpires like it, the players like it, everybody likes it, except India! Until India likes it, it perhaps is never going to be used. The ICC should not leave it to the boards to decide whether they want it. It should be an ICC directive. The ICC needs to show leadership and make sure that it occurs in every Test series because it enhances the game. Why it’s not being done, I’m not sure. Only ICC can answer that.

Gary Kirsten is all set to quit as coach of Team India after the World Cup. If you are approached by the Indian board to coach the Indian team, will you accept the offer?

I think I’m not the one for it. For me, the best person to coach India is Stephen Fleming. I think that his coaching with the Chennai Super Kings and relationship with M S Dhoni is very strong. I think he gels well with the Indian culture and the Indian way of life. I think he is the best candidate. If India can get him, it can be great for Indian cricket.

You had played in the Indian Cricket League (ICL), which was seen as a ‘rebel league’ by many and you even had a bit of a scuffle with Former IPL Commissioner Lalit Modi. You had even said that you are going to file a defamation case against him. Do you feel happy in a way that BCCI has taken him to task and he has been shown the door?

Well, I have no comment on this. We have an ongoing case and I would want to just sort of refrain from that at the moment as the matter is sub judice.

In your entire cricketing career, which is that one moment you savour?

It’s always your debut. For me, it was in 1989 in Perth against Australia. Apart from that, winning has always been special for me regardless of where and when we won. The 2001 Champions Trophy final win against India in Nairobi was special. Winning against England at Lord’s in 1999, which was the first ever victory for New Zealand against England was also special. For me, basically it was winning, and that is the most important thing.

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Ram Puniyani
January 26,2020

During last couple of decades we have been witnessing the coming up of various statues in different parts of the country. There is diverse political logic and different set of political tendencies for erecting these statues. When Mayawati was UP CM, she got multiple of her own statues made, in addition to many statues of major dalit icons, irrespective of the criticism against that act. As per her strategy it was a symbol of identity of dalit assertion. The biggest statue to come up was that of Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel, a lifelong Congressman, whom RSS combine is trying to appropriate. This statue of Unity was ‘Made in China’. The clever trick was that the same forces were behind this statue, which was banned by Patel in the aftermath of Gandhi murder. Interestingly while currently BJP is blaming Congress for Partition of India, ironically it was Sardar Patel who was in the committee which gave final stamp of approval for the partition of India.

There is also a talk in UP, where the Ram temple campaign yielded rich electoral dividends for BJP, to have tallest statue of Lord Ram in Ayodhya. In a state where children are dying in hospitals due to lack of Oxygen cylinders, a huge budgetary allocation will be required for such project. While on statues one should also remember that in Maharashtra a tall statue of Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj is underway in Arabian Sea, near Mumbai. Only few voices of protest against it came up, e.g. that of renowned journalist, now, MP, Kumar Ketkar, whose house was vandalised for his opposing the move on the grounds that same massive amount can be utilized for welfare-development activities in the state.

On the back of this comes a comparatively low budget 114 feet tall statue of Jesus Christ in Karnataka, in Kappala hills Harobele village, where Christian pilgrims have been thronging from last several centuries. The land for this has been donated by Congress leader Shivaprasad and his brother, a Congress MP. It is planned to be carved out from a single rock. The plan of this statue is being opposed by those who have been behind most of the statue projects so far. Hindu Jagran Vedike, VHP, RSS are up in arms saying that they will not let this come up. There are various arguments cited for this opposition. It is being said that this was a place of worship of Lord Munnieshwara (a form of Lord Shiva).

More than this it is being argued that Shivakumar is trying to please his Italian boss in the party. Also that this will bring back the period of slavery of foreign rule, the colonial rule of British. As such this opposition is more in tune with the ideology of RSS combine, which has been for a statue here and a statue there. Their politics regards Christianity as a ‘foreign religion’! It is true that in Citizenship Amendment Act, they have not excluded Christianity while other religion, which they regard as ‘Foreign’ i.e. Islam. Here they are using a different logic, that the countries from where persecuted minorities are coming, are Muslim countries, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangla Desh.

In India the major targeting by RSS combine has been against Muslims, but Christians are also not spared. Starting in the decade of 1980, an intense propaganda has been going on that Christian Missionaries are converting. As RSS affiliate Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram became active in Adivasi areas, the likes of Swami Aseemanand, Swami Laxmanand and followers of Aasaram bapu spread out in Tribal areas. They started their programs to popularise Shabri and Hanuman, with congregations like Shabri Kumbh being regularly organized in these areas. The aim was to Hinduize the people in those areas.

The first major anti Christian violence came up in the ghastly form of burning alive of Pastor Graham Steward Stains along with his two minor sons Timothy and Philip. RSS affiliate Bajrang Dal's Dara Siingh aka Rajendra Pal was behind this and he is serving the life term for that. At the same time Wadhva Commission was appointed to investigate this crime which shook the country and President K.R. Narayan termed it as the one belonging to the inventory of the black deeds of human history.

The Wadhva commission report pointed out that there was no statistical significant change in the region where the pastor was working. Similarly the national figures tell us that the Christian population, if at all, has marginally declined in last five decades as per the census figures. They stand like this, percentage of Christians in population, 1971-2.60, 1981- 2.44, 1991-2.34, 2001-2.30 and 2011-2.30. There are arguments that some people are converting to Christianity but are not revealing their religion. This may be true in case of miniscule percentage of dalits, who may not reveal there conversion, as they stand to loose reservation provisions if they convert.

The anti Christian violence is scattered and is below the radar most of the places. There was massive valence in Kandhamal, Orissa, when on the pretext that Christians have murdered Swami Laxmananand, a massive violence was unleashed in 2008. On regular basis prayer meetings of Christians are attacked on the pretext that these are attempts at conversion. While there is a huge demand for the schools and colleges run by Christian groups, in Adivasis areas and remote areas the work of Swamis is on.

Now the trend is to dump Christian traditions. Since Ramnath Kovind became President, the usual practice of Carol Singers visiting Rashtrapati Bhavan has been stopped. In the army retreat so far ‘Abide with me’ by Scottish poet, Henri Francis Lyte, a Christian song, a favourite of Gandhi, has been dropped. The Christian minorities have perceived the threat in various forms. Currently they are as much part of the protests against CAA, NPR and NRIC as any other community.

While statues and identity issues cannot have primacy over the social development issues, it cannot be selective. To oppose Jesus Christ statue while spending fortunes for other statues is a part of the agenda of RSS combine, which is unfolding itself in various forms. opposition to Jesus Christ statue being yet another step in the direction.

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Ram Puniyani
May 2,2020

India has tragically witnessed the phenomenon of lynching becoming dominant during last few years. It was particularly around the issue of Holy Cow-Beef, that lynchings became more prevalent and two communities had to face the brunt of it, Muslims and dalits. The IndiaSpend data showed the rise of the incidents from 2014 and that close to 90% of victims were Muslims or dalits. Some notorious cases of lynchings were the one of Akhlaq, Junaid, Alimuddin Ansari, the beatings of dalits in Una. At another level it is during this period that the noted social worker Swami Agnivesh was also subjected to humiliating beating in the public. The communal color in India by now is so strong that many events, even before the details are known, are looked at from the communal color and false social noises start even before real facts are known.

Nothing can exemplify this more than the tragic lynching of two sadhus and their driver in Gadchinal village, near Palghar, a city nearly 110 Kilomenters from Mumbai. As the news of this tragedy spread the BJP leaders immediately started blaming Muslim minority for the crime. Nalin Kohli in an Interview to a German Channel said so. Not to be left behind Sambit Patra, the BJP spokesperson launched a tirade  against the liberals-seculars for their silence on the issue. As the matter stands the truth comes out that those sadhus were travelling to Surat from Kandivli area of Mumbai. It is a period of lockdown and they did not have the permission so they were avoiding the highway travel and going through interior routes. On this route was a village Gadchinale, an Adivasi dominated village where this tragedy took place.

During the lockdown period due to Corona virus the economic and social deprivation of poor people is extreme. Many rumors are floating there. In this village the rumor doing rounds was that a gang of chid lifters is roaming in different guises. Thats what these Sadhus were taken to be. Since the victims were Hindus and culprits are deliberately presumed to be from the other community. One recalls that to trigger the Mumbai violence in 1992-93 the incidence of murder of two Mathadi workers (HIndus) and burning of Bane family (Hindu) in Jogeshwari area of Mumbai, both these were false, these incidents were used as the pretext for the attack on the minorities.

In this case not only BJP leaders, the RSS itself also  jumped into fray along with Sadhu Samaj. A vicious atmosphere started building up. 

As the incident took place, Palghar case dominated the usual media channels and large sections of social media. The Government of Maharashtra (Shiv Sena+NCP+Congress) stood on the solid ground of truthfulness and arrested nearly 100 culprits, none of them being a Muslim. Interestingly the local body of the village is controlled by BJP and the chief of this body Chitra Chowdhari is a BJP leader. While the Maharashtra Government is standing on the solid ground of the facts of the case, it has also given the warning that those spreading falsehoods will not be spared.

The cruelty of those taking law into their hands is shocking. During the last few years taking law into the hands of the mobs is becoming close to normal. The real reasons are many. One of this being the lack of proper punishment to those who indulge in such dastardly acts. Not only that many of them are in the good books of the ruling establishment and many of them are honored despite their despicable role in such incidents. One recalls that in case of Mohammad Ikhlaq lynching, one of the accused died in the police custoy due to incidentlal disease. Then Union Central Minister Mahesh Sharma landed up to drape his body in tricolor. In another such case of Alimuddin Ansari, when eight of the accused got bail, the Union Minister Jayant Sinha garlanded them. What message it sends down the line?

The other factors contributing to the rise in intensity of violence is the overall social frustration due to life generally becoming more difficult. The rule of BJP has also encouraged intolerance, where people with differing opinions are looked down upon and called anti- Hindu, Anti National etc. Swami Agnivesh who criticised the blind faith, the statements like ‘plastic surgery in ancient India, or divine nature of Barfani Baba in Amarnath was humiliated in public.

The core issue is the dominance of sectarian mindset promoted by the ruling party and its parent organization the RSS. They are waiting to jump at any event which can be given communal color or where the minorities can be demonized. Few news channels, who are playing the role of loud speakers of divisive politics are adding salt to the wounds. The degree of Hate spread in the society has further taken the aid of innumerable social media networks to spread the false hoods down to all the sections of society.

The need for law against lynching needs to be brought in. All those participating in such dastardly violence need to be punished. Before that the whole atmosphere of Hate mongering and feeling that those talking law into their hands can get away with it, needs to be countered strongly. While a prompt police action against such incidents is the need of the hour, those who have made spreading hate as their business need to realize that no country can progress without the feeling of fraternity. Demonizing weaker sections may give them higher TRP, but it is also undermining our path of peace and progress.

Respect for Indian Constitution and rule of law needs to be restored. The fact check mechanisms like AltNews need to be activated much more. And lastly one must applaud the steps taken by the Government of Maharashtra to ensure that justice is done and Hate spreading is  checked right in its tracks.

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Amar Akbar Antony
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Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020

Beautiful article. We need people like you- the need of the hour.

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Ram Puniyani
July 20,2020

As Covid 19 has created havoc all rounds, the rulers of certain countries are using it to further intensify their set agendas. The democratic freedoms are being curtailed in certain forms, the reaction to which has come in America in the form of a campaign, which is opposing “stifling” cultural climate that is imposing “ideological conformity” and weakening “norms of open debate and toleration of differences”. In India similar intimidations have been intensified. In addition the occasion has been used by the sectarian forces first to link the spread of Corona to Muslim community and now in the name of reducing the burden of curriculum certain chapters on core concepts related to Indian nationalism are being deleted from the text books.

It has been reported that chapters on federalism, citizenship, nationalism, secularism, Human Rights, Legal Aid and Local Self Government and the like are being dropped. Education has been an important area for communal forces and they constantly keep saying that leftists have dominated the curriculum content, it suffers from the impact of Macaulay, Marx and Mohammad and so needs to be Indianized. The first such attempt was done when BJP came to power in 1998 as NDA and had Murli Manohar Joshi as the MHRD minister. He brought the changes which were termed as ‘saffronization of education’. Their focus is more on social science. Some of the highlights of this were introduction of subjects like Astrology and Paurohitya, and chapters defending caste system, nationalism of the type of Hitler was praised.

With defeat of NDA in 2004, the UPA did try to rectify some of these distortions. Again after 2014 the RSS affiliates working in the area of education have been active, interacting with MHRD officials to impress upon them the need to change the curriculum matching with their Hindu nationalist agenda. Its ‘Shiksha Sanskriti Utthan Nyas’ has been asking for removal of English, Urdu words in the texts. It has asked for removal of thoughts of Rabindranath Tagore on Nationalism, extracts of autobiography of M F Husain, references to benevolence of Muslim rulers, references to BJP being Hindu party, apology of Dr. Manmohan Singh for anti Sikh pogrom of 1984, the reference to killings of Gujarat carnage in 2002 among others. This they call as Bhartiykaran of syllabus.

As RSS is a multithreaded hydra one of its pracharak Dinanath Batra has set up ‘Shiksha Bachao Abhiyan Samiti’ which has been pressurizing various publishers to drop the books which are not conforming to their ideology. One recalls their pressuring withdrawal of Wendy Doniger’s ‘The Hindus’, as it does present the ancient India through the concerns of dalits and women. Mr. Batra has already come out with a set of nine books for school curriculum, giving the RSS view of the past and RSS understanding of social sciences. These have already been translated into Gujarati and thousands of the sets of these books are being used in Gujarat Schools.

The present step of deleting parts of curriculum which gives the basics of Indian Nationalism, secularism and human rights is a further step in the same direction. These are the topics which have made the Hindu nationalists uncomfortable during last few years. They have been defaming secularism. They removed it from the preamble of Indian constitution, when they put out an ad on the eve of Republic day in 2015. From last few decades since the Ram Temple movement was brought up, simultaneously the secular ethos of India’s freedom movement and secular values of Indian constitution have been constantly criticized. Many an RSS ideologues and BJP leaders have been asking for change of Indian Constitution for this very reason.

Secularism is part of the concept of Indian nationalism. In the name of religious nationalism, sectarian divisive nationalism they have been attacking various student leaders in particular. When we study Nationalism, the very genesis of Indian nationalism tells us the plurality of our freedom movement with its anti colonial roots. The struggle was for Indian nationalism and so the Muslims and Hindu communalists kept aloof from this great struggle against colonial masters, it was this struggle which built the Indian nation with all its diversity.

Similarly as we have equal rights as citizens the chapters on citizenship are being dropped. Federalism has been the core part of India’s administrative and political structure. As the dictatorial tendencies are becoming stronger, federalism is bound to suffer and that explains the dropping of this subject. Democracy is decentralization of power. Power reaching the lowermost part of the system, the villages and average citizens. This got reflected in Local self Government. The power is distributed among villages, cities, state and center. By removing chapters on federalism and local self government, the indications of the ideology of ruling party are on display.

While we are not dealing with all the portents of the planned omissions, one more aspect that related to dropping of chapter on Human rights needs our attention. The concept of Human rights and dignity are interlinked. This concept of Human rights also has international ramifications. India is signatory to many an UN covenants related to Human rights. The indications are clear that now rights will be for the few elite and ‘duties’ for the large deprived sections will be put on the forefront.

In a way this incidental ‘Corona gifted opportunity’ to the ruling Government is being fully used to enhance the agenda of ruling party in the arena of Educational Curriculum. The part of curriculum with which the ruling party is uncomfortable is being removed. This act of omission does supplement their other acts of commission in changing the shape of educational curriculum, which are reflected in RSS affiliates’ suggestions to MHRD regarding Bhartiyakaran of contents of syllabus. As per this the things like regarding the great epics like Ramayana and Mahabharata as History, the things like India having all the stem cell technology, plastic surgery, aviation science etc. will have a place in the changes planned by communal forces!

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