‘Kalladka Bhat is not interfering in local politics’ - Interview with Anwar Manippady

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July 22, 2012
Anwar Manippady, Chairman, Karnataka State Minorities Commission, was recently in the news for exposing scholarship and Wakf Board scams, the latter bringing to light alleged misappropriation of Rs 200,000 crore. In this exclusive interview he speaks to Coastaldigest.com about them and other issues.

Manippady


You recently exposed some scholarship irregularities claiming that injustice has been done to minority students. Could you elaborate on that?


In Bangalore, something called as the Taj Educational Trust was formed by IAS and KAS officers. It is supposed to have been set up to train Muslim students to face IAS and KAS exams. For the purpose they had built a building at the Navbahar Makan Wakf property of about 12 acres of land in Bangalore’s Bharatinagar constituency with classrooms and library facilities. But now, there are no classrooms and hardly any classes are being conducted there. The building has been converted into a lodge in the first and second floors and the ground floor has been converted into a Shadi Mahal. In the library, I found many gunny bag bundles. When I got them opened I found lots and lots of unopened covers bearing applications addressed to the Directorate of Minorities from students for scholarships, along with affidavits and photographs. I was later told that the Directorate of Minorities had been treating this library room as a godown and from the last 4-5 years these bundles were being stored at the place.

If students are not eligible for the scholarship, it is the duty of the Directorate to write back to them and inform them about it. But forget about responding back to students, they had not even opened the covers. This shows that the scholarships have been going to people whom they decide or they must be giving some benaami names and taking the money themselves. Even now I get complaints from places like Kolar, Bhatkal and so on stating that students who had applied for scholarships have not got their money. Sadiya Sultana, the present Director of the Directorate of Minorities, Karnataka, has been indicted of manipulating Wakf property in Bidar. The Muslim bureaucrats along with the so called leaders are all hand in glove and are depriving the rights of the Muslim have-nots.

Your expose on Wakf irregularities and submission of a report to the Chief Minister on the same created quite a few ripples. Did you find irregularities in Wakf properties in Mangalore too?


In a gazette notification I found that Nadu Masjid in Bunder area of Mangalore owns 15 acres of land. It has also been registered in the records of the Wakf Board in Bangalore. I thought 15 acres in Bunder is an interesting mention as that would mean that almost one third of the entire Bunder area would belong to the mosque. When I checked with the mosque authorities I was told they own just 19 cents of land. The rest of the land has been occupied by shopkeepers.

In the coastal belt people give land as Wakf to a mosque in the form of property or land elsewhere maybe in the form of arecanut farms and so on. But the Wakf Board officials sell them to other people which is not right. According to the Supreme Court, once a Wakf property always a Wakf property, but these irregularities have taken place and Mangalore is no exception.

What is the status of the Windsor Manor Wakf property in Bangalore which you highlighted in your report?


The High Court has directed for mediation between the Wakf Board and the Hotel. In other words, it has asked for a compromise. The people who are in the Wakf Board are a bunch of jokers and they will even go for a compromise rather than trying to get back the property which belongs to the community. As per the norms, pork and wine business has no place on a Wakf property and that is what is happening at the hotel today. It would be a disgrace if the Wakf Board members contend with a compromise with the hotel. I personally feel the hotel must be converted into a high standard hospital which could benefit the community and many Muslims have expressed their support in this regard.

Why is that only Congress and JDS leaders have been named in your report? Many allege that it is a political ploy of the BJP for which you have been used…


No it is not political at all. From the last 60 years the state was ruled by the Congress. So all these years it was their leaders who were governing the Wakf Board. So there is no real substance in the allegation that only Congress and JDS leaders have been named in my report. But still, I have spoken against Mumtaz Ali Khan, who was our Wakf Minister and who happens to belong to the BJP. Even during his tenure he did not take complaints of Wakf property irregularities seriously. For instance, the Ramnagara Wakf property measuring about 7 acres where an Eidgah is also existing, has been taken over by one Timmegowda, a liquor baron. A PIL was filed and the Wakf Board won it in the High Court. It was clearly established that there was an encroachment and the government order was also in favour of the Wakf Board. The government order is with the Wakf to get back the encroached land but none of them including Mumtaz Ali Khan took action. When it came to my notice, I went there with the documents and the orders and made it clear that I want all the encroachments demolished. Tomorrow I am scheduled to visit Ramanagara and I will make sure that I myself bulldoze the encroached walls and property. I have made it clear that I want everything to be cleared in this month of Ramadan and that I would offer my Eid prayers at that very Eidgah.


True that you did take on Mumtaz Ali Khan but there is also this allegation against you that you went against him with an intention to emerge as the more powerful Muslim leader in the BJP with an eye on the ministerial berth in minority quota. How do you respond to that?


I have not gone against anyone with an eye on a ministerial berth. I have given it in writing to the Chief Minister that I am not aspiring for a minister post at all. I have made it very clear by staying away from lobbying for a minister berth in the recently formed Jagadish Shettar cabinet. Now that the cabinet formation is over and my mission of carrying out my duties as Minorities Commission chief is still on, I don’t think anybody should be making this allegation against me that I am a ministerial aspirant. My political ambition is simple – I want to complete my responsibilities as a Minority Commission chief before I think of minister-ship.

What do you have to say about the three Chief Ministerial changes and constant cabinet reshuffles in the state in the current BJP term?


Multiple changes in Chief Minister’s post is something that has happened in the Congress governments of the past too. It is the decision of the party to make changes.

Are you happy with C T Ravi being made the district in charge minister for Dakshina Kannada or do you feel that somebody from the district itself should have been given the post?


I don’t think C T Ravi being given the post of Dakshina Kannada district in charge minister is a bad move as such. The cabinet posts have been filled and since he is the nearest person from another district to Mangalore, he has been chosen for the job. He is a man who has an eye for development. In Chikmagalur too he has done a lot of development works and those have not been done to please anyone. They have been done for the people. Even the minority Muslims are happy with his work as an MLA.

The role played by RSS leader Kalladka Prabhakar Bhat in the recent Shettar cabinet formation was widely discussed following Haladi Srinivas Shetty’s remarks against him. You have in the past come out in support of Mr. Bhat in a public programme when he was being criticized for his anti-minorities speech. Now that voices are being raised against him even from within the BJP, what do you have to say?


I would say that I came out in his support in a public programme for something that he had not said. I had heard the recording of his speech and some sections of the media had published things that he had not said at all. The media misunderstood his words regarding the burqa and Muslim women. He was only saying that instead of wooing Hindu women, Muslim men should go after ladies in their own community. He said Muslim women are more beautiful than Hindu women and in this context he said that this beauty of their lies behind their veils. But some media carried reports saying that Kalladka Prabhakar Bhat had advocated opening of veils of Muslim women and so on. I stood by him because I felt he was misunderstood.

I think it would be wrong to say that Kalladka Prabhakar Bhat has been dominating and interfering in local politics. Barring Haladi Srinivas Shetty, I have not come across anyone who has said so. Yes, Haladi Srinivas Shetty may be an aggrieved party but to blame Kalladka Prabhakar Bhat for that is not right. I was in Bangalore when the cabinet formation was going on and I was keeping a close eye on all the developments because I also happen to be a spokesperson of the party. As far as I know, he has not tried to interfere in those matters at all.

A murder attempt was made on Rahim Uchil, also a leader who associates himself with the BJP, not too long ago. Are you worried about you being targeted in the future too because you associate yourself with the BJP? Have you received any threats?


The attack on Rahim Uchil was carried out by a few who are misleading the Muslims and have wronged their happiness. As far as I am concerned, I would say I am under constant threat even by individuals as I have put my hand into the property irregularities of many people. But I have not asked for any security and neither am I scared. In fact, if something happens to me, the cause for which I am fighting will get a huge boost and the Muslim community will benefit immensely. There will be a great reaction and the support for my struggle to bring the so called servants of Muslim Community to book will increase ten times than what it is now.

What else has the Commission been doing for the minorities?


Minorities Commission has got a responsibility towards the minorities in every field. The government has made many provisions for the minorities and given them lot of sops. But many officials in various departments have failed in their duty to give the minorities their due. I regularly hold reviews in an open court format with a prior announcement in the newspapers that I would be holding a review meet. I invite people with grievances to inform me and attend the meet. In the presence of media, the officers and the aggrieved people, I hold the meet. During the meet I get complaints against officials and accordingly I take steps. Because of my initiatives many officers including education officers, child welfare officers, health department officials etc have been suspended for not doing their duty. We are supposed to monitor the progress made by the respective departments as far as minorities’ development and their rights are concerned. We have been doing a good job. In fact, many people might not have been aware of the Minorities Commission until my party came to power. After we started functioning, people have come to know what the powers of the Commission are. Until we came, the Commission was just there lying dormant. But now exciting things are happening under the Commission and we would continue to keep up the good work.

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Ram Puniyani
March 14,2020

In the wake of Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) UN High Commissioner, Michele Bachelet, has filed an intervention in the Supreme Court petition challenging the constitutionality of the Citizenship Amendment Act, as she is critical of CAA. Responding to her, India’s Foreign Minister S. Jai Shanker strongly rebutted her criticism, saying that the body (UNHCR) has been wrong and is blind to the problem of cross border terrorism. The issue on hand is the possibility of scores of people, mainly Muslims, being declared as stateless. The problem at hand is the massive exercise of going through the responses/documents from over 120 crore of Indian population and screening documents, which as seen in Assam, yield result which are far from truthful or necessary.

The issue of CAA has been extensively debated and despite heavy critique of the same by large number of groups and despite the biggest mass opposition ever to any move in Independent India, the Government is determined on going ahead with an exercise which is reminiscent of the dreaded regimes which are sectarian and heartless to its citizens, which have indulged in extinction of large mass of people on grounds of citizenship, race etc. The Foreign minister’s assertion is that it is a matter internal to India, where India’s sovereignty is all that matters! As far as sovereignty is concerned we should be clear that in current times any sovereign power has to consider the need to uphold the citizenship as per the principle of non-discrimination which is stipulated in Art.26 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political (ICCPR) rights.

Can such policies, which affect large number of people and are likely to affect their citizenship be purely regarded as ‘internal’? With the World turning into a global village, some global norms have been formulated during last few decades. The norms relate to Human rights and migrations have been codified. India is also signatory to many such covenants in including ICCPR, which deals with the norms for dealing with refugees from other countries. One is not talking of Chicago speech of Swami Vivekanand, which said that India’s greatness has been in giving shelter to people from different parts of the World; one is also not talking of the Tattariaya Upanishad’s ‘Atithi Devovhav’ or ‘Vasudhaiva Kutumbkam’ from Mahaupanishad today.

What are being talked about are the values and opinions of organizations which want to ensure to preserve of Human rights of all people Worldwide. In this matter India is calling United Nations body as ‘foreign party’; having no locus standi in the case as it pertains to India’s sovereignty. The truth is that since various countries are signatories to UN covenants, UN bodies have been monitoring the moves of different states and intervening at legal level as Amicus (Friend of the Court) to the courts in different countries and different global bodies. Just to mention some of these, UN and High Commissioner for Human Rights has often submitted amicus briefs in different judicial platforms. Some examples are their intervention in US Supreme Court, European Court of Human Rights, International Criminal Court, and the Inter-American Court of Human Rights. These are meant to help the Courts in areas where UN bodies have expertise.

 Expertise on this has been jointly formulated by various nations. These interventions also remind the nations as to what global norms have been evolved and what are the obligations of individual states to the values which have evolved over a period of time. Arvind Narrain draws our attention to the fact that, “commission has intervened in the European Court of Human Rights in cases involving Spain and Italy to underscore the principle of non-refoulement, which bars compulsory expulsion of illegal migrants… Similarly, the UN has intervened in the International Criminal Court in a case against the Central African Republic to explicate on the international jurisprudence on rape as a war crime.”

From time to time organizations like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have been monitoring the status of Human rights of different countries. This puts those countries in uncomfortable situation and is not welcome by those establishments. How should this contradiction between ‘internal matter’, ‘sovereignty’ and the norms for Human rights be resolved? This is a tough question at the time when the freedom indices and democratic ethos are sliding downwards all over the world. In India too has slid down on the scale of these norms.

In India we can look at the intervention of UN body from the angle of equality and non discrimination. Democratic spirit should encourage us to have a rethink on the matters which have been decided by the state. In the face of the greatest mass movement of Shaheen bagh, the state does need to look inwards and give a thought to international morality, the spirit of global family to state the least.

The popular perception is that when Christians were being persecuted in Kandhmal the global Christian community’s voice was not strong enough. Currently in the face of Delhi carnage many a Muslim majority countries have spoken. While Mr. Modi claims that his good relations with Muslim countries are a matter of heartburn to the parties like Congress, he needs to relook at his self gloating. Currently Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia and many Muslim majority countries have spoken against what Modi regime is unleashing in India. Bangladesh, our neighbor, has also seen various protests against the plight of Muslims in India. More than the ‘internal matter’ etc. what needs to be thought out is the moral aspect of the whole issue. We pride ourselves in treading the path of morality. What does that say in present context when while large section of local media is servile to the state, section of global media has strongly brought forward what is happening to minorities in India.   

The hope is that Indian Government wakes up to its International obligations, to the worsening of India’s image in the World due to CAA and the horrific violence witnessed in Delhi.

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Ram Puniyani
March 8,2020

They say ‘history repeats itself first as a tragedy and then as a farce’. In case of India, communal violence not only keeps repeating itself, the pattern of the tragedy keeps changing every next time. Some features of the violence are constant, but they are under the wraps mostly. The same can be said about the Delhi violence (February 2020). The interpretations, the causative factors are very discernible, but those who are generally the perpetrators have a knack of shifting the blame on the victim community or those who stand for the victims.

As the carnage began presumably in the aftermath of statement of Kapil Mishra of BJP, which was given in front of a top police official, in which he threatened to get the roads emptied. The roots of violence were sown earlier. The interpretations given by the Hindu Nationalist camp is that the riot is due to the changing demographic profile of the area with Muslims increasing in number in those areas, and coming up of Shaheen Bagh which was presented was like ‘Mini Pakistan’. As per them the policies of BJP in matters of triple talaq, Article 370 and CAA, NPR, NRC has unnerved the ‘radical’ elements and so this violence.

As such before coming to the observations of the activists and scholars of communal violence in India, we can in brief say that violence, in which nearly 46 people have died, include one from police and another from intelligence. Majority victims are Muslims. The violence started right under the nose of the police and the ruling party. From the videos and other eye accounts, police not only looked the other way around, at places it assisted those attacking the innocent victims and burning and looting selective shops. Home minister, Amit Shah, was nowhere on the scene. For first three days the rioters had free run. After the paramilitary force was brought in; the violence simmered and slowly reduced in intensity. The state AAP Government, which in a way is the byproduct of RSS supported Anna Hazare movement, was busy reading Hanuman Chalisa and praying at Rajghat with eyes closed to the mayhem going in parts of Delhi.

Communal violence is the sore point of Indian society. It did begin during colonial period due to British policy of ‘Divide and Rule’. At root cause was the communal view of looking at history and pro active British acts to sow the seeds of Hindu-Muslim divide. At other level the administrative and police the British were fairly neutral. On one hand was the national movement, uniting the people and creating and strengthening the fraternal feeling among all Indians. On the other were Muslim Communalists (Muslim League) and Hindu Communalists (Hindu Mahasabha, RSS) who assisted the British goal of ‘divide and rule’ promoting hatred between the communities. After partition the first major change was the change in attitude of police and administration which started tilting against Muslims. Major studies by Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer, Paul Brass and Omar Khalidi demonstrated that anti Muslim bias is discernible in during and after the riots.

Now the partisan role of police has been visible all through. Sri Krishna Commission report brought forth this fact; as did the research of the Ex DIG of UP police Dr. V.N.Rai. Dr. Rai’s studies also concluded that no communal violence can go on beyond 24 hours unless state administration is complicit in the carnage. In one of the violence, investigation of which was done by concerned Citizen’s team (Dhule, 2013) this author observed that police itself went on to undertake the rampage against Muslims and Muslim properties.

General observation about riots is that violence sounds to be spontaneous, as the Home Minister is pointing out, but as such it is well planned act. Again the violence is orchestrated in such a way that it seems Muslims have begun the riots. Who casts the First stone? To this scholars point out that the carnage is so organized that the encircled community is forced to throw the first stone. At places the pretext is made that ‘they’ (minorities) have thrown the first stone.

The pretexts against minorities are propagated, in Gujarat violence Godhra train burning, in Kandhamal the murder of Swami Laxamannand and now Shaheen bagh! The Hindu Muslim violence began as riots. But it is no more a riot, two sides are not involved. It is plain and simple anti Minority violence, in which some from the majority are also the victims.

This violence is possible as the ‘Hate against this minority’ is now more or less structural. The deeper Hate against Muslims and partly against Christians; has been cultivated since long and Hindu nationalist politics, right from its Shakhas to the social media have been put to use for spreading Hatred. The prevalent deeper hate has been supplanted this time by multiple utterances from BJP leaders, Modi (Can be recognized by clothes), Shah (press EVM machine button so hard that current is felt in Shaheen Bagh), Anurag Thakur (Goli (bullet) Maro) Yogi Aditya Nath (If Boli (Words)Do not work Goli will) and Parvesh Varma (They will be out to rape).

The incidental observation of the whole tragedy is the coming to surface of true colors of AAP, which not only kept mum as the carnage was peaking but also went on to praise the role of police in the whole episode. With Delhi carnage “Goli Maro” seems to be becoming the central slogan of Hindu nationalists. Delhi’s this violence has been the first one in which those getting killed are more due to bullets than by swords or knifes! Leader’s slogans do not go in vain! Courts the protectors of our Constitution seem to be of little help as if one of them like Murlidhar Rao gives the verdict to file against hate mongers, he is immediately transferred.

And lastly let’s recall the academic study of Yale University. It concludes; BJP gains in electoral strength after every riot’. In India the grip of communalism is increasing frighteningly. Efforts are needed to combat Hate and Hate mongers.

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Ram Puniyani
August 9,2020

Contrary to present impression that Muslims are separatists due to whom the partition of India took place, the truth is that Muslims contributed to freedom movement and upheld India’s composite culture in equal measure. The partition process, mainly due to British policy of ‘divide and rule’ well assisted by Hindu and Muslim communalists is being hidden from the popular vision in India and Muslims in general are held responsible for the same. Not only that the communal historiography introduced by British to pursue their policies has become the bedrock of communal politics and worsening of the perceptions about Muslims is in progress in India.

Yet another example of this has been a series of tweets by the bureaucrat, who is close to retirement, K. Nageshwar Rao. Contrary to the service rules he has made statements, through his tweets which are appreciative of RSS-BJP and demonise the stalwarts Muslim leaders who not only contributed to the freedom movement but also later gave valuable service in laying the foundation of Independent India. As per Rao, his tweets he accuses Maulana Azad and the other Muslim Education ministers of “deracination of Hindus”. After naming “Maulana Abul Kalam Azad — 11 years (1947-58)”; “Humayun Kabir, M C Chagla & Fakruddin Ali Ahmed — 4 years (1963-67)”; and, “Nurul Hassan — 5 years (1972-77)”, he posts: “Remaining 10 years other Leftists like VKRV Rao.”

He points out that their policies were meant to “1. Deny Hindus their knowledge, 2. Vilify Hinduism as collection of superstitions, 3. Abrahamise Education, 4. Abrahamise Media & Entertainment, 5. Shame Hindus about their identity!  and 6. Bereft of the glue of Hinduism Hindu society dies.”

Then he goes on to praise RSS-BJP for bringing the glory back to Hindus. These statements of his on one hand promote the Hate and on the other tantamount to political statement, which civil servants should not by making. CPM politburo member Brinda Karat has written a letter to Home Minister Amit Shah to take suitable action against the erring bureaucrat.

Rao begins with Maulana Abul kalam Azad. Surely Azad was one of the major leaders of freedom movement, who was also the youngest President of INC, in 1923 and later between 1940 to 1945. He opposed the partition process tooth and nail till the very last. As the Congress President in 1923 he wrote a remarkable Para, symbolizing the urge for Hindu Muslim unity, “If an angel descends from heaven and offers me Swaraj in 24 hours on condition that I give up Hindu Muslim Unity, I will refuse. Swaraj we will get sooner or later; its delay will be a loss for India, but loss of Hindu Muslim unity will be a loss for human kind”. His biographer Syeda Hamid points out “He spoke without an iota of doubt about how debacle of Indian Muslims has been the result of the colossal mistakes committed by Muslim League’s misguided leadership. He exhorted Muslims to make common cause with their Hindu, Sikh, Christian fellow countrymen.” He was the one who promoted the translation of Hindu scriptures Ramayan and Mahabharat in to Persian.

Surely Mr. Rao, neither has read Azad or read about him nor knows his contributions to making of Modern India. While today, the ideological formation to which Mr. Rao seems to be pledging his commitment is critical of all that happened during Nehru era, it was during this period when as education minister Azad was shepherding the formations of IITs, Academies of Science, Lalit kala Academies. It was during this period that the efforts to promote Indian composite culture were undertaken through various steps.

The other stalwarts who are under the hammer have been outstanding scholars and giants in their own field of education. Humayun Kabir, Nurul Hasan, Dr.Zakir Husssain gave matchless ideas and practical contributions in different fields of education. One can say that contrary to the accusations, India could match up to the Computer era, software and associate things, due to creation of large manpower in these areas mainly due to these foundations which were laid down particularly in the field of education during this period.

The charge that these ‘Muslim’ education ministers white washed the bloody Islamic rule is a blind repetition of the offshoot of communal historiography introduced by British. While Kings were ruling for power and wealth, their courts had Hindus and Muslim both officers. The jaundiced vision sees this as a bloody Islamic rule but as a matter of fact the syncretic culture and traditions developed precisely this period. It was during this period that Bhakti Traidtion with Kabir, Tukaram, Namdeo, Tulsidas flourished. It was during this period that humane values of Sufi saints reached far and wide. It was during this period that poets like Rahim and Raskhan produced their classic literature n praise of Hindu Gods.

We also need to remind ourselves that large number of Muslims participated in the freedom Movement. Two scholars Shamsul Islam and Nasir Ahmad have come out with books on the myriad such freedom fighters, to recall just a few names. Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan, Zakir Hussain, Syed Mohammad Sharfuddin Kadri, Bakht Khan, Muzzafar Ahmad, Mohammad Abdir Rahman,, Abbas Ali, Asaf Ali, Yusuf Mehrali, Maulana Mazahrul Hague.

These are just a few of the names. The movement, led by Gandhi, definitely laid the foundations where composite Indian culture and respect for all religions, others’ religion was paramount and this is what created Indian fraternity, one of the values which finds its place in the preamble of Indian Constitution.

This blaming of Education ministers who were Muslims is an add-on to the process of Islamophobia in India. So for there have been many actions of Muslim kings which are selectively presented as being bloody, now the post Independent History, where glorious contributions have been made by Muslim leaders are being used to further deepen the divisive process. We need to pay respects to builders of modern India, irrespective of their religion.

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