T20 WC would be the 'real' World Cup in future (Exclusive Interview with Chris Cairns)

Abrar Ahmed Khan
February 24, 2011

With exceptional batting as well as bowling skills, Former New Zealand cricketer Chris Cairns is regarded as one of the best cricket all-rounders to have played at the international level. He is in Mangalore to play a charity T20 match to raise funds to help the needy. The earstwhile Kiwi skipper shares his thoughts on cricket, his Foundation, the World Cup and more with Abrar Ahmed Khan:

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You are here to play a charity T20 match to raise funds for the needy. Tell us more about the Chris Cairns Foundation…
We are involved with helping young children who are hearing impaired. The reason that I’m involved with that is because my father had lost 90% of his hearing and he had a cochlear implant and now he has 90% hearing. I have seen what it has done to him and how it changed his life. So its an opportunity to try and help youngsters to give them a new way of life. We are starting very small but we want to grow and make a difference to those who can’t afford to make use of the technology.

New Zealand is currently coping with the earthquake mishap…Your Foundation must be pretty much involved with relief and related activities there as well…

I have a Foundation in New Zealand and I carry out charity activities there as well. The earthquake incident is a catastrophic event. It has hit my place. Christchurch is where I am from. I have been speaking to my mother ten times a day making sure everything is okay back home. All my friends are thankfully okay, but there would be hundreds in New Zealand who are not. The day when the final death toll would be released, would be the darkest and the most catastrophic day in New Zealand’s history. We are a young nation. This event will live long in the memories of all New Zealanders. Its very sad.

The earthquake has pumped up the New Zealand cricket team though. Players from the team have said already that they would want to cheer their countrymen up by performing well in the WC. Your thoughts on NZ’s chances in the tournament?

I think it’s a very open tournament. It ‘really’ begins in the quarter finals in a couple of weeks’ time. I think any team has the capability to win it. India and Sri Lanka are probably the two favourite teams but its anybody’s tournament.

The World Cup is a nice time to see some exciting on-field rivalries in world cricket. India-Pakistan and Australia-England stand right up there. However, a lesser known rivalry is the New Zealand-Australia rivalry. What is the history behind this one, in the sense, why is it that your neighbours, the Aussies, are considered your traditional rivals?

We are neighbours like India and Pakistan are. There is a close proximity to each other. We compete in all forms be it politics or sports. We are not too dissimilar to each other. That’s why there is that closeness and that competition.

Talking about Australia, most cricket pundits across the globe are of the opinion that the Kangaroos are no longer the dominant force they once were, and are now in the process of experiencing a downfall on the same lines as the West Indies. You agree with them?

Oh absolutely. When you take players of the likes of Gilchrist, Warne, Hayden, Langer, McGrath, and Gillespie out of the team, of course you’re going to be weaker, until the new lot of guys come through and gain experience. Same with India. Maybe, in a couple of years’ time, after losing the likes of Sachin, Laxman and Dravid, it will be tough for India for a few years, until the youngsters get experienced. The fans have to be patient. In today’s environment, fans don’t have patience and so is the case with most media.

A common perception today is that the passion for cricket is up and rising in subcontinent countries while it is diminishing in most countries including New Zealand where there are other sports like Rugby that attract people. To top it all, the ICC has recently announced that associate nations won’t be a part of the 2015 World Cup, igniting more debates about the game not being allowed to grow worldwide. Do you see a gloomy future for cricket with these developments?
No not really. They have increased the T20 World Cup competition to 16 teams. So they are projecting T20 as the future of the game along with the ICC Test Championship. Where we go with the 50 over game after 2015, I’m not sure. The 2015 World Cup with countries out of it is a diminished product and it seems that the T20 World Cup is the true World Cup rather than what would be a Champions Trophy kind of tournament in Australia / New Zealand in 2015.

You have played in a few World Cups. Which is your favourite World Cup moment?

Well, we have only been able to reach semifinals in World Cups. One of the special moments could be beating Australia in 1999. We had a wonderful tournament in 1992. I feel the best team we had in a World Cup, which I was a part of, was the 2003 World Cup. We had chosen not to go to Kenya back then which cost us points and it meant we were under pressure in the Super Six stage. I feel the best chance we had was in 2003 as that side was a very good side. Unfortunately we needed to beat India in a knock out match and we lost that game at Centurion. It’s mixed for me, the World Cup, as we never won it.

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In the current World Cup, teams have rather easily scored in excess of 300. The Netherlands scored 292 the other day. You think T20 has had its impact on the ODI format already?

Yes, from 2007, the game has advanced 30-40 runs per innings, purely because of T20 and the understanding of the ability to hit the ball. T20 has given players a certain way which, maybe they wouldn’t have explored in 50 over cricket. It has freed up the scoring and that’s why the scores today are bigger.

What is your take on the UDRS system?

I think it’s brilliant. It’s a good innovation. The umpires like it, the players like it, everybody likes it, except India! Until India likes it, it perhaps is never going to be used. The ICC should not leave it to the boards to decide whether they want it. It should be an ICC directive. The ICC needs to show leadership and make sure that it occurs in every Test series because it enhances the game. Why it’s not being done, I’m not sure. Only ICC can answer that.

Gary Kirsten is all set to quit as coach of Team India after the World Cup. If you are approached by the Indian board to coach the Indian team, will you accept the offer?

I think I’m not the one for it. For me, the best person to coach India is Stephen Fleming. I think that his coaching with the Chennai Super Kings and relationship with M S Dhoni is very strong. I think he gels well with the Indian culture and the Indian way of life. I think he is the best candidate. If India can get him, it can be great for Indian cricket.

You had played in the Indian Cricket League (ICL), which was seen as a ‘rebel league’ by many and you even had a bit of a scuffle with Former IPL Commissioner Lalit Modi. You had even said that you are going to file a defamation case against him. Do you feel happy in a way that BCCI has taken him to task and he has been shown the door?

Well, I have no comment on this. We have an ongoing case and I would want to just sort of refrain from that at the moment as the matter is sub judice.

In your entire cricketing career, which is that one moment you savour?

It’s always your debut. For me, it was in 1989 in Perth against Australia. Apart from that, winning has always been special for me regardless of where and when we won. The 2001 Champions Trophy final win against India in Nairobi was special. Winning against England at Lord’s in 1999, which was the first ever victory for New Zealand against England was also special. For me, basically it was winning, and that is the most important thing.

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Ram Puniyani
March 8,2020

They say ‘history repeats itself first as a tragedy and then as a farce’. In case of India, communal violence not only keeps repeating itself, the pattern of the tragedy keeps changing every next time. Some features of the violence are constant, but they are under the wraps mostly. The same can be said about the Delhi violence (February 2020). The interpretations, the causative factors are very discernible, but those who are generally the perpetrators have a knack of shifting the blame on the victim community or those who stand for the victims.

As the carnage began presumably in the aftermath of statement of Kapil Mishra of BJP, which was given in front of a top police official, in which he threatened to get the roads emptied. The roots of violence were sown earlier. The interpretations given by the Hindu Nationalist camp is that the riot is due to the changing demographic profile of the area with Muslims increasing in number in those areas, and coming up of Shaheen Bagh which was presented was like ‘Mini Pakistan’. As per them the policies of BJP in matters of triple talaq, Article 370 and CAA, NPR, NRC has unnerved the ‘radical’ elements and so this violence.

As such before coming to the observations of the activists and scholars of communal violence in India, we can in brief say that violence, in which nearly 46 people have died, include one from police and another from intelligence. Majority victims are Muslims. The violence started right under the nose of the police and the ruling party. From the videos and other eye accounts, police not only looked the other way around, at places it assisted those attacking the innocent victims and burning and looting selective shops. Home minister, Amit Shah, was nowhere on the scene. For first three days the rioters had free run. After the paramilitary force was brought in; the violence simmered and slowly reduced in intensity. The state AAP Government, which in a way is the byproduct of RSS supported Anna Hazare movement, was busy reading Hanuman Chalisa and praying at Rajghat with eyes closed to the mayhem going in parts of Delhi.

Communal violence is the sore point of Indian society. It did begin during colonial period due to British policy of ‘Divide and Rule’. At root cause was the communal view of looking at history and pro active British acts to sow the seeds of Hindu-Muslim divide. At other level the administrative and police the British were fairly neutral. On one hand was the national movement, uniting the people and creating and strengthening the fraternal feeling among all Indians. On the other were Muslim Communalists (Muslim League) and Hindu Communalists (Hindu Mahasabha, RSS) who assisted the British goal of ‘divide and rule’ promoting hatred between the communities. After partition the first major change was the change in attitude of police and administration which started tilting against Muslims. Major studies by Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer, Paul Brass and Omar Khalidi demonstrated that anti Muslim bias is discernible in during and after the riots.

Now the partisan role of police has been visible all through. Sri Krishna Commission report brought forth this fact; as did the research of the Ex DIG of UP police Dr. V.N.Rai. Dr. Rai’s studies also concluded that no communal violence can go on beyond 24 hours unless state administration is complicit in the carnage. In one of the violence, investigation of which was done by concerned Citizen’s team (Dhule, 2013) this author observed that police itself went on to undertake the rampage against Muslims and Muslim properties.

General observation about riots is that violence sounds to be spontaneous, as the Home Minister is pointing out, but as such it is well planned act. Again the violence is orchestrated in such a way that it seems Muslims have begun the riots. Who casts the First stone? To this scholars point out that the carnage is so organized that the encircled community is forced to throw the first stone. At places the pretext is made that ‘they’ (minorities) have thrown the first stone.

The pretexts against minorities are propagated, in Gujarat violence Godhra train burning, in Kandhamal the murder of Swami Laxamannand and now Shaheen bagh! The Hindu Muslim violence began as riots. But it is no more a riot, two sides are not involved. It is plain and simple anti Minority violence, in which some from the majority are also the victims.

This violence is possible as the ‘Hate against this minority’ is now more or less structural. The deeper Hate against Muslims and partly against Christians; has been cultivated since long and Hindu nationalist politics, right from its Shakhas to the social media have been put to use for spreading Hatred. The prevalent deeper hate has been supplanted this time by multiple utterances from BJP leaders, Modi (Can be recognized by clothes), Shah (press EVM machine button so hard that current is felt in Shaheen Bagh), Anurag Thakur (Goli (bullet) Maro) Yogi Aditya Nath (If Boli (Words)Do not work Goli will) and Parvesh Varma (They will be out to rape).

The incidental observation of the whole tragedy is the coming to surface of true colors of AAP, which not only kept mum as the carnage was peaking but also went on to praise the role of police in the whole episode. With Delhi carnage “Goli Maro” seems to be becoming the central slogan of Hindu nationalists. Delhi’s this violence has been the first one in which those getting killed are more due to bullets than by swords or knifes! Leader’s slogans do not go in vain! Courts the protectors of our Constitution seem to be of little help as if one of them like Murlidhar Rao gives the verdict to file against hate mongers, he is immediately transferred.

And lastly let’s recall the academic study of Yale University. It concludes; BJP gains in electoral strength after every riot’. In India the grip of communalism is increasing frighteningly. Efforts are needed to combat Hate and Hate mongers.

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Ram Puniyani
July 20,2020

As Covid 19 has created havoc all rounds, the rulers of certain countries are using it to further intensify their set agendas. The democratic freedoms are being curtailed in certain forms, the reaction to which has come in America in the form of a campaign, which is opposing “stifling” cultural climate that is imposing “ideological conformity” and weakening “norms of open debate and toleration of differences”. In India similar intimidations have been intensified. In addition the occasion has been used by the sectarian forces first to link the spread of Corona to Muslim community and now in the name of reducing the burden of curriculum certain chapters on core concepts related to Indian nationalism are being deleted from the text books.

It has been reported that chapters on federalism, citizenship, nationalism, secularism, Human Rights, Legal Aid and Local Self Government and the like are being dropped. Education has been an important area for communal forces and they constantly keep saying that leftists have dominated the curriculum content, it suffers from the impact of Macaulay, Marx and Mohammad and so needs to be Indianized. The first such attempt was done when BJP came to power in 1998 as NDA and had Murli Manohar Joshi as the MHRD minister. He brought the changes which were termed as ‘saffronization of education’. Their focus is more on social science. Some of the highlights of this were introduction of subjects like Astrology and Paurohitya, and chapters defending caste system, nationalism of the type of Hitler was praised.

With defeat of NDA in 2004, the UPA did try to rectify some of these distortions. Again after 2014 the RSS affiliates working in the area of education have been active, interacting with MHRD officials to impress upon them the need to change the curriculum matching with their Hindu nationalist agenda. Its ‘Shiksha Sanskriti Utthan Nyas’ has been asking for removal of English, Urdu words in the texts. It has asked for removal of thoughts of Rabindranath Tagore on Nationalism, extracts of autobiography of M F Husain, references to benevolence of Muslim rulers, references to BJP being Hindu party, apology of Dr. Manmohan Singh for anti Sikh pogrom of 1984, the reference to killings of Gujarat carnage in 2002 among others. This they call as Bhartiykaran of syllabus.

As RSS is a multithreaded hydra one of its pracharak Dinanath Batra has set up ‘Shiksha Bachao Abhiyan Samiti’ which has been pressurizing various publishers to drop the books which are not conforming to their ideology. One recalls their pressuring withdrawal of Wendy Doniger’s ‘The Hindus’, as it does present the ancient India through the concerns of dalits and women. Mr. Batra has already come out with a set of nine books for school curriculum, giving the RSS view of the past and RSS understanding of social sciences. These have already been translated into Gujarati and thousands of the sets of these books are being used in Gujarat Schools.

The present step of deleting parts of curriculum which gives the basics of Indian Nationalism, secularism and human rights is a further step in the same direction. These are the topics which have made the Hindu nationalists uncomfortable during last few years. They have been defaming secularism. They removed it from the preamble of Indian constitution, when they put out an ad on the eve of Republic day in 2015. From last few decades since the Ram Temple movement was brought up, simultaneously the secular ethos of India’s freedom movement and secular values of Indian constitution have been constantly criticized. Many an RSS ideologues and BJP leaders have been asking for change of Indian Constitution for this very reason.

Secularism is part of the concept of Indian nationalism. In the name of religious nationalism, sectarian divisive nationalism they have been attacking various student leaders in particular. When we study Nationalism, the very genesis of Indian nationalism tells us the plurality of our freedom movement with its anti colonial roots. The struggle was for Indian nationalism and so the Muslims and Hindu communalists kept aloof from this great struggle against colonial masters, it was this struggle which built the Indian nation with all its diversity.

Similarly as we have equal rights as citizens the chapters on citizenship are being dropped. Federalism has been the core part of India’s administrative and political structure. As the dictatorial tendencies are becoming stronger, federalism is bound to suffer and that explains the dropping of this subject. Democracy is decentralization of power. Power reaching the lowermost part of the system, the villages and average citizens. This got reflected in Local self Government. The power is distributed among villages, cities, state and center. By removing chapters on federalism and local self government, the indications of the ideology of ruling party are on display.

While we are not dealing with all the portents of the planned omissions, one more aspect that related to dropping of chapter on Human rights needs our attention. The concept of Human rights and dignity are interlinked. This concept of Human rights also has international ramifications. India is signatory to many an UN covenants related to Human rights. The indications are clear that now rights will be for the few elite and ‘duties’ for the large deprived sections will be put on the forefront.

In a way this incidental ‘Corona gifted opportunity’ to the ruling Government is being fully used to enhance the agenda of ruling party in the arena of Educational Curriculum. The part of curriculum with which the ruling party is uncomfortable is being removed. This act of omission does supplement their other acts of commission in changing the shape of educational curriculum, which are reflected in RSS affiliates’ suggestions to MHRD regarding Bhartiyakaran of contents of syllabus. As per this the things like regarding the great epics like Ramayana and Mahabharata as History, the things like India having all the stem cell technology, plastic surgery, aviation science etc. will have a place in the changes planned by communal forces!

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Ram Puniyani
February 13,2020

Forthcoming Census and RSS campaign

Currently massive protests are going on against NPR, NCR and CAA. At the same time we are going to begin the process of decadal census in 2021. Already RSS is active in promoting NPR, NCR and CAA. At the same time RSS wants that Adivasis should register themselves as Hindus rather than ticking the column of ‘Others’. As per their spokesperson in the 2011 census many Adivasis groups ticked that column because of which the population of Hindus came down to by 0.7 percent point to come down to 79.8 %. This has sent signals to this Hindu nationalist organization and is planning to ensures that Adivasis tick the column of Hindus in this census.

As such RSS has a very clever attitude in defining the term Hindu. The first formulation was by Savakakar who said that all those who regard the land east of Indus as their Holy land and Father land are Hindus. This left out Muslims and Christians, and brought all others in the ambit of Hindu fold. From the decade of 1980s due to electoral compulsions they have been trying to articulate that all those who are living in India are Hindus. Murli Manohar Joshi stated that Muslims are Ahmadiya Hindus and Christians are Christi Hindus. Recently there was a controversy when they restated that Sikhs are not a separate religion but are a sect of Hinduism. Many Sikh organizations stood up to say that Sikhism is a religion by itself and recalled the book of Kahan Singh Nabha, “Hum Hindu Nahin”

As far as Adivasis are concerned in contrast to what is being planned by Hindu nationalist RSS, many Adivasis groups have been meeting from last couple of years to demand just the contrary. As per them there should be a column where they can tick their identity of Adivasis.  There are active campaigns among Adivasis groups to uphold their Adivasi identity in Census. As per them in the first census which was conducted in Independent India, the column, Aborigines, was there, which was later removed forcing them to club themselves with other religions.

After 1951 in addition to Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Jain and Buddha, the column ‘others’ was also there which was removed in 2011. Even during British period if you look at the censuses of the British era (from 1871 to 1931); there was provision for tribes to choose Aborigine as an option. There are nearly 83 religious practices being followed by Adivasis. Few major of these are Sarna, Gondi, Punem, Adi, and Koya. What they share in common is that they are animists, worship nature and spirit of ancestors; do not have priestly class or Holy Scriptures and Gods and Goddesses characteristic of the broad Hindu pantheon.

RSS as per its political agenda of Hindu Nation regards them as Vanvasi. They pontificate that they have been part of Hindu society who were driven away to forests to escape the forcible conversion being done by the Muslim invaders. This concoction is contrary to the interpretations based on the studies from population genetics. The Hindu nationalist argues that Aryans have been the original inhabitants of the country from where they spread to other parts of the World. The book by Tony Joseph, ‘Early Indians’ tells us that away from the race theory, we are all mixed up. The first inhabitants in our land were the ones who emigrated from South Asia over Sixty thousand years ago.

The Indo-Aryans came here nearly three thousand years ago and they pushed the aborigines to the forests and hills and that’s what constitutes the Adivasi community of India.

Hindu Nationalists like all the nationalists who construct their nationalism around their religion claim to be the most original inhabitants of the land, and their interpretations of past are molded according to that. RSS right from beginning has not been using the word Adivasi, it calls them Vanvasi. As per its agenda it wants them to be part of Hindu fold, despite Adivasis themselves saying that they are not Hindus, they have beliefs and practices which are far away from Hinduism in whatever form.

To enhance its political reach from the decades of 1980s in particular its work in Adivasis areas has been intensified. While ‘Vanvasis Kalyan Ashram’, part of RSS Combine which was formed much earlier, it was in the decades of 1980s that their work was jacked up by sending more Pracharaks in Adivasi areas. We see that in Gujarat, Dangs and nearby area, Swami Aseemanand, in MP, centered around Jhabua-the followers of Asaram Bapu and in Orissa Swami Laxmananad stationed them. They saw Christian missionaries working in the field of education and health as an obstacle to Hinduization of Adivasis. Their propaganda against Christian missionaries led to the ghastly murder of Pastor Graham Stains. It was this propaganda which led to anti Christian violence in various forms, the most horrific being the Kandhamal violence of 2008.

In order to culturally co-opt them into the fold of Hinduism they began series of religious congregations, Kumbhs. Shabri Kumbh in Dangs and many other Adivasis predominant areas created an atmosphere of fear, Adivasis were asked to be part of it, saffron flags were distributed and they were made to put it in their houses. Two religious icons were popularized in these areas, one was Shabri and other was Hanuman. To cap it all, Ekal Vidyalayas, started spreading RSS’s interpretation of history in these areas. The other angle of the whole thing is that Adivasis are living in the areas rich in minerals, which the BJP supporter Corporate World wants to take over.

World over aborigines have similar pattern. They are animists and what they practice is a culture as such. Many have converted to other religions out of their choice for sure, but finally in these matters what is important is the self perception. Hemant Soren the Chief Minister of Jharkhand pointed out that “Adivasis are not Hindus. ”Keeping that in mind; the column of Aborigines needs to find its place in our census forms.

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