Interview with A P Usthad

April 17, 2010

When luminaries from the Beary community had gathered on the second day of the World Beary convention organised by the Beary Cultural Forum, Dubai, a prominent non Beary personality stole the limelight all the way. It was none other than Shaik Abubakkar Ahmad or the more familiar A P Usthad. The reason for his presence over there and the kind of respect and admiration he received is rather simple. A large section of Mangalorean Muslims have always held him in such high esteem that every major religious and social gathering would crave for his luminous presence. No wonder he was accorded the red carpet welcome at the World Beary Meet.

A P Ustthad envisioned the formation a Markaz for the propagation of Islamic culture and education even during his college days at Vellore Baqiyathussalihaat. He earned his Moulvi Fazil degree from Baqiyathussalihaat in 1964 and worked as Mudarrris in some Masjids in Kerala. In 1978, barely after 14 years after his education, he was able to establish the Islamic cultural and Education Centre – Markazussakafathissunniyya – which has now emerged as a one of the foremost seats of Islamic learning in the world. The Markaz grew from strength to strength exactly as he had envisioned it. At present a total of approximately 10,000 students are studying in this Markaz including 1,500 orphans. They come from different parts of India, including Kashmir and Haryana. The institution does not charge a penny either from orphans or poor students for their food, clothes, accommodation and medical expenses. It is estimated that the institution’s daily budget is around SR25, 000 which is raised through donations by philanthropists all over the world. The Al- Azhar University of Cairo has extended its recognition to the degree awarded by the Markaz. It is one those Islamic seats of learning in India which hosts frequent International seminars, symposiums and workshops on subjects ranging from Islamic studies to burning issues of modern days like terrorism. The Institution enjoys the frequent visits by renowned Islamic scholars of various countries of the world.

The philanthropic activities carried out by AP Usthad are exemplary in nature. The orphanages that run either directly under his supervision or under his patronage, adopt poor and orphan students of both sex and provide them with free food, accommodation and education until they are able to sustain themselves on their own. The orphanage set up inside the Markaz Campus itself shelters more than a thousand orphan students. In addition, the Markaz under the leadership of AP Usthad has undertaken special projects to look after the people affected by natural calamities and riots. The children orphaned by earthquake in Andaman and Nicobar Islands and some provinces in India and Pakistan were adopted and sheltered by AP Usthad in his Markaz. He travelled across Kashmir to bring home hundreds of students who were either orphaned or denied education due to internal strife in Kashmir. He is also a social reformer and activist. He endeared himself to the people across India in general and Kerala in particular by leading various campaigns for the cause of national integration, anti terrorism etc.

The versatile and dynamic personality of AP Usthad could be understood from his involvement in various national and international activities

Seminar and Conferences attended by him:

Presided over various Islamic conferences conducted all over India on various occasions.

He has been attending the International Islamic Conference held by Islamic Supreme Council of The Arab Republic of Egypt almost every year since 1990.

In the year 1996 he attended the First International Unity Conference held in Los Angeles, U.S.A and delivered a lecture on Religious Harmony in India.

In the same year he attended an International Seminar held in British Columbia, Canada.

In the year 1998 he attended the Second Islamic Unity Conference held in Washington D.C, U.S.A.

In the Year 1999, A P Usthad participated in the Inaugural ceremony of Masjid Abee Ubaidah Al Jarrah in Jordan and the Seminar on Importance of Prophetic Teachings.

In the year 2000 he attended the International Islamic Conference held in Sri Lanka

In the Year 2001 he attended the Islamic Conference held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

In the year 2003 he attended the International Fiqh Seminar, held in Johannesburg, South Africa

In the year 2004 he attended the Hasanyya lectures conducted in Morocco by His Majesty the King of Morocco.

He has been accorded with 'Special Guest' invitation continuously for the past several years in the years by the President of the United Arab Emirates in the Holy month of Ramadan.

Awards and Felicitations:

Award for the best social worker in the world by Darul Islam Academy, Rasal Khaima, UAE in 1992.

Indian Islamic Centre Award 2000 for the best social cultural and educational worker in India.

International Islamic Personality Award by Indo Arab Foundation UAE in 2006.

Excerpts from the interview taken by Coastaldigest team with A P Usthad during the World Beary Convention:

As section of Mangalorean Muslims considers you an integral part of their religious affairs and the term A P Usthad is familiar word in every household. How do you relate your special relation with Mangalore?

Usthad: History tells that Mangalore has always been considered a part of Malabar. Hence people of Malabar have kept a special relationship with Mangalore. After the formation of linguistic states, Mangalore became a part of Karnataka. But spiritually Mangalorean Muslims have always associated themselves with the rest of Malabar. People of Mangalore understand Malyalam. So, we have been able to deliver religious education and discourses in Mangalore region and reach them powerfully. People of Mangalore love us, and we love them too.

Could you please tell us something about your education system?

Usthad: Islamic community is being pushed down as backward community everywhere. In such a scenario, only education can bring us forward. To know religion and follow it, we need Islamic education. At the same time the worldly education of is also highly essential. The Ambiyas, Awuliyas and scholars of Islamic age were all educated in the worldly knowledge and necessities of their time. With this intention, I started Markazussakafathissunniyya in 1978. This was the fulfillment of my desire which I had when I came out of Vellore Baqiyaathussalihath. We have aligned Islamic education and worldly education to suit the need of the hour. Under the Markaz banner we started to spread education to districts of Kerala and later we started spreading it in rest of India. Now it is running with great success.

The fundamentals and jurisprudence of Islam cannot be changed. We have not changed anything of these. However, it is the demand of the generation to make Islamic education system respond to the present day necessities. In order to incorporate modern professional technical needs we have brought changes in the education provided in the Madrasas. Islamic history shows the example that style of education could be changed based on the need of the hour.

It is a fact that the kind of organized primary religious education system in Kerala is unique in India. We learn through media that you have a vision to spread the similar kind of religious education system to entire India. Could you please tell us about it?

Usthad: It is not appropriate to say the sound Islamic education system of Kerala emanated from our side only. Many a great ‘Aalims’ of our time and bygone era have contributed a lot to set up religious education system in Kerala. However, with the establishment of Markaz and our own education system, we have understood the importance of the modern day education to deal with present day worldly necessities. Hence, we have propagated the philosophy of modern school education along with Islamic education. When Computer and Internet are the order of the day (Now it is said that we are going out of internet world to something new) we will lag behind if we don’t extract benefits out of it. In the past, to search a particular hadith we had to literally turn each page of the book, but now computers are helping us do the same by simply typing a word or a phrase from it. Hence we have started an education board called IEBI ( Islamic Education Board of India) that has worked successfully in Kerala and now we are focusing on the rest of India and achieving success in many places.

The Markaz is emerging as a University under your leadership. Could you please shed more light on the same?

Usthad: The Markaz was not established for anybody’s personal gain. In the past 33 years, I have continuously travelled across the world to collect funds for this organization but I have not taken a single Rupee as commission for my effort. Even those who do from outside also don’t take commission. There is no scope for commission at all. And everybody who works for the progress of the Markaz does it purely to earn favors from Allah (SWT). This is the basic success mantra of the Markaz.

The progress of Markaz is mainly because of the amalgamation of religious and worldly education. Students can complete the highest stage of both education under one roof in an Islamic environment. Hence, Muslim students seeking both education ( worldly and Islamic) are flocking to Markaz in great number each year

The other reason is that Markaz has blessings from all righteous people and scholars from all over the world. I have brought eminent scholars of our time to Markaz time and again and their ‘ Duas’ are with us

It is learnt that Moulvi education provided at Markaz is fused (Joined together as a whole) with Worldly education to cope with the demands of present generation. Could you tell us about it?

Usthad: We have aligned Moulvi education with modern needs. Most of the Moulvi graduates of Markaz in recent years are also proficient in English and other languages such as Urdu. Many of them are competent to impart religious education in English Language. As a result many Moulvi graduates from the Markaz are able to get jobs in countries like American Canada, S Africa and Malaysia and Middle East. Even within in India, they are able to get jobs because of the quality of education provided here in the Markaz. Each year more than 500 students go out either as religious scholars or other degree holders and everybody gets job.

What do you say about the practice of dowry system among Muslims?

Usthad: Dowry system is a menace to the Islamic society. It must be eradicated. We have organized many campaigns against it and many more are planned in the coming years. Each year the outgoing students and Moulvis of the Markaz pledge against the dowry system and vow to work against the dowry system.

Mangalore city needs a centre like your Markaz and you have emphasized such need in many of your speeches in recent times. Is there any effort being done from your side to start a seat of higher Islamic learning in Mangalore city?

Usthad: We have a plan to start one such centre in Mangalore and an effort is being done now. Our organization and the Markaz had worked closely with Mangalorean philanthropists and scholars to construct the recently opened Masjid Thaqwa. The Masjid Thaqwa committee is in constant touch with me and we have are in search of a suitable location for the establishment of a seat of higher learning in Mangalore.


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Ram Puniyani
January 26,2020

During last couple of decades we have been witnessing the coming up of various statues in different parts of the country. There is diverse political logic and different set of political tendencies for erecting these statues. When Mayawati was UP CM, she got multiple of her own statues made, in addition to many statues of major dalit icons, irrespective of the criticism against that act. As per her strategy it was a symbol of identity of dalit assertion. The biggest statue to come up was that of Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel, a lifelong Congressman, whom RSS combine is trying to appropriate. This statue of Unity was ‘Made in China’. The clever trick was that the same forces were behind this statue, which was banned by Patel in the aftermath of Gandhi murder. Interestingly while currently BJP is blaming Congress for Partition of India, ironically it was Sardar Patel who was in the committee which gave final stamp of approval for the partition of India.

There is also a talk in UP, where the Ram temple campaign yielded rich electoral dividends for BJP, to have tallest statue of Lord Ram in Ayodhya. In a state where children are dying in hospitals due to lack of Oxygen cylinders, a huge budgetary allocation will be required for such project. While on statues one should also remember that in Maharashtra a tall statue of Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj is underway in Arabian Sea, near Mumbai. Only few voices of protest against it came up, e.g. that of renowned journalist, now, MP, Kumar Ketkar, whose house was vandalised for his opposing the move on the grounds that same massive amount can be utilized for welfare-development activities in the state.

On the back of this comes a comparatively low budget 114 feet tall statue of Jesus Christ in Karnataka, in Kappala hills Harobele village, where Christian pilgrims have been thronging from last several centuries. The land for this has been donated by Congress leader Shivaprasad and his brother, a Congress MP. It is planned to be carved out from a single rock. The plan of this statue is being opposed by those who have been behind most of the statue projects so far. Hindu Jagran Vedike, VHP, RSS are up in arms saying that they will not let this come up. There are various arguments cited for this opposition. It is being said that this was a place of worship of Lord Munnieshwara (a form of Lord Shiva).

More than this it is being argued that Shivakumar is trying to please his Italian boss in the party. Also that this will bring back the period of slavery of foreign rule, the colonial rule of British. As such this opposition is more in tune with the ideology of RSS combine, which has been for a statue here and a statue there. Their politics regards Christianity as a ‘foreign religion’! It is true that in Citizenship Amendment Act, they have not excluded Christianity while other religion, which they regard as ‘Foreign’ i.e. Islam. Here they are using a different logic, that the countries from where persecuted minorities are coming, are Muslim countries, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangla Desh.

In India the major targeting by RSS combine has been against Muslims, but Christians are also not spared. Starting in the decade of 1980, an intense propaganda has been going on that Christian Missionaries are converting. As RSS affiliate Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram became active in Adivasi areas, the likes of Swami Aseemanand, Swami Laxmanand and followers of Aasaram bapu spread out in Tribal areas. They started their programs to popularise Shabri and Hanuman, with congregations like Shabri Kumbh being regularly organized in these areas. The aim was to Hinduize the people in those areas.

The first major anti Christian violence came up in the ghastly form of burning alive of Pastor Graham Steward Stains along with his two minor sons Timothy and Philip. RSS affiliate Bajrang Dal's Dara Siingh aka Rajendra Pal was behind this and he is serving the life term for that. At the same time Wadhva Commission was appointed to investigate this crime which shook the country and President K.R. Narayan termed it as the one belonging to the inventory of the black deeds of human history.

The Wadhva commission report pointed out that there was no statistical significant change in the region where the pastor was working. Similarly the national figures tell us that the Christian population, if at all, has marginally declined in last five decades as per the census figures. They stand like this, percentage of Christians in population, 1971-2.60, 1981- 2.44, 1991-2.34, 2001-2.30 and 2011-2.30. There are arguments that some people are converting to Christianity but are not revealing their religion. This may be true in case of miniscule percentage of dalits, who may not reveal there conversion, as they stand to loose reservation provisions if they convert.

The anti Christian violence is scattered and is below the radar most of the places. There was massive valence in Kandhamal, Orissa, when on the pretext that Christians have murdered Swami Laxmananand, a massive violence was unleashed in 2008. On regular basis prayer meetings of Christians are attacked on the pretext that these are attempts at conversion. While there is a huge demand for the schools and colleges run by Christian groups, in Adivasis areas and remote areas the work of Swamis is on.

Now the trend is to dump Christian traditions. Since Ramnath Kovind became President, the usual practice of Carol Singers visiting Rashtrapati Bhavan has been stopped. In the army retreat so far ‘Abide with me’ by Scottish poet, Henri Francis Lyte, a Christian song, a favourite of Gandhi, has been dropped. The Christian minorities have perceived the threat in various forms. Currently they are as much part of the protests against CAA, NPR and NRIC as any other community.

While statues and identity issues cannot have primacy over the social development issues, it cannot be selective. To oppose Jesus Christ statue while spending fortunes for other statues is a part of the agenda of RSS combine, which is unfolding itself in various forms. opposition to Jesus Christ statue being yet another step in the direction.

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Ram Puniyani
August 9,2020

Contrary to present impression that Muslims are separatists due to whom the partition of India took place, the truth is that Muslims contributed to freedom movement and upheld India’s composite culture in equal measure. The partition process, mainly due to British policy of ‘divide and rule’ well assisted by Hindu and Muslim communalists is being hidden from the popular vision in India and Muslims in general are held responsible for the same. Not only that the communal historiography introduced by British to pursue their policies has become the bedrock of communal politics and worsening of the perceptions about Muslims is in progress in India.

Yet another example of this has been a series of tweets by the bureaucrat, who is close to retirement, K. Nageshwar Rao. Contrary to the service rules he has made statements, through his tweets which are appreciative of RSS-BJP and demonise the stalwarts Muslim leaders who not only contributed to the freedom movement but also later gave valuable service in laying the foundation of Independent India. As per Rao, his tweets he accuses Maulana Azad and the other Muslim Education ministers of “deracination of Hindus”. After naming “Maulana Abul Kalam Azad — 11 years (1947-58)”; “Humayun Kabir, M C Chagla & Fakruddin Ali Ahmed — 4 years (1963-67)”; and, “Nurul Hassan — 5 years (1972-77)”, he posts: “Remaining 10 years other Leftists like VKRV Rao.”

He points out that their policies were meant to “1. Deny Hindus their knowledge, 2. Vilify Hinduism as collection of superstitions, 3. Abrahamise Education, 4. Abrahamise Media & Entertainment, 5. Shame Hindus about their identity!  and 6. Bereft of the glue of Hinduism Hindu society dies.”

Then he goes on to praise RSS-BJP for bringing the glory back to Hindus. These statements of his on one hand promote the Hate and on the other tantamount to political statement, which civil servants should not by making. CPM politburo member Brinda Karat has written a letter to Home Minister Amit Shah to take suitable action against the erring bureaucrat.

Rao begins with Maulana Abul kalam Azad. Surely Azad was one of the major leaders of freedom movement, who was also the youngest President of INC, in 1923 and later between 1940 to 1945. He opposed the partition process tooth and nail till the very last. As the Congress President in 1923 he wrote a remarkable Para, symbolizing the urge for Hindu Muslim unity, “If an angel descends from heaven and offers me Swaraj in 24 hours on condition that I give up Hindu Muslim Unity, I will refuse. Swaraj we will get sooner or later; its delay will be a loss for India, but loss of Hindu Muslim unity will be a loss for human kind”. His biographer Syeda Hamid points out “He spoke without an iota of doubt about how debacle of Indian Muslims has been the result of the colossal mistakes committed by Muslim League’s misguided leadership. He exhorted Muslims to make common cause with their Hindu, Sikh, Christian fellow countrymen.” He was the one who promoted the translation of Hindu scriptures Ramayan and Mahabharat in to Persian.

Surely Mr. Rao, neither has read Azad or read about him nor knows his contributions to making of Modern India. While today, the ideological formation to which Mr. Rao seems to be pledging his commitment is critical of all that happened during Nehru era, it was during this period when as education minister Azad was shepherding the formations of IITs, Academies of Science, Lalit kala Academies. It was during this period that the efforts to promote Indian composite culture were undertaken through various steps.

The other stalwarts who are under the hammer have been outstanding scholars and giants in their own field of education. Humayun Kabir, Nurul Hasan, Dr.Zakir Husssain gave matchless ideas and practical contributions in different fields of education. One can say that contrary to the accusations, India could match up to the Computer era, software and associate things, due to creation of large manpower in these areas mainly due to these foundations which were laid down particularly in the field of education during this period.

The charge that these ‘Muslim’ education ministers white washed the bloody Islamic rule is a blind repetition of the offshoot of communal historiography introduced by British. While Kings were ruling for power and wealth, their courts had Hindus and Muslim both officers. The jaundiced vision sees this as a bloody Islamic rule but as a matter of fact the syncretic culture and traditions developed precisely this period. It was during this period that Bhakti Traidtion with Kabir, Tukaram, Namdeo, Tulsidas flourished. It was during this period that humane values of Sufi saints reached far and wide. It was during this period that poets like Rahim and Raskhan produced their classic literature n praise of Hindu Gods.

We also need to remind ourselves that large number of Muslims participated in the freedom Movement. Two scholars Shamsul Islam and Nasir Ahmad have come out with books on the myriad such freedom fighters, to recall just a few names. Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan, Zakir Hussain, Syed Mohammad Sharfuddin Kadri, Bakht Khan, Muzzafar Ahmad, Mohammad Abdir Rahman,, Abbas Ali, Asaf Ali, Yusuf Mehrali, Maulana Mazahrul Hague.

These are just a few of the names. The movement, led by Gandhi, definitely laid the foundations where composite Indian culture and respect for all religions, others’ religion was paramount and this is what created Indian fraternity, one of the values which finds its place in the preamble of Indian Constitution.

This blaming of Education ministers who were Muslims is an add-on to the process of Islamophobia in India. So for there have been many actions of Muslim kings which are selectively presented as being bloody, now the post Independent History, where glorious contributions have been made by Muslim leaders are being used to further deepen the divisive process. We need to pay respects to builders of modern India, irrespective of their religion.

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Ram Puniyani
February 13,2020

Forthcoming Census and RSS campaign

Currently massive protests are going on against NPR, NCR and CAA. At the same time we are going to begin the process of decadal census in 2021. Already RSS is active in promoting NPR, NCR and CAA. At the same time RSS wants that Adivasis should register themselves as Hindus rather than ticking the column of ‘Others’. As per their spokesperson in the 2011 census many Adivasis groups ticked that column because of which the population of Hindus came down to by 0.7 percent point to come down to 79.8 %. This has sent signals to this Hindu nationalist organization and is planning to ensures that Adivasis tick the column of Hindus in this census.

As such RSS has a very clever attitude in defining the term Hindu. The first formulation was by Savakakar who said that all those who regard the land east of Indus as their Holy land and Father land are Hindus. This left out Muslims and Christians, and brought all others in the ambit of Hindu fold. From the decade of 1980s due to electoral compulsions they have been trying to articulate that all those who are living in India are Hindus. Murli Manohar Joshi stated that Muslims are Ahmadiya Hindus and Christians are Christi Hindus. Recently there was a controversy when they restated that Sikhs are not a separate religion but are a sect of Hinduism. Many Sikh organizations stood up to say that Sikhism is a religion by itself and recalled the book of Kahan Singh Nabha, “Hum Hindu Nahin”

As far as Adivasis are concerned in contrast to what is being planned by Hindu nationalist RSS, many Adivasis groups have been meeting from last couple of years to demand just the contrary. As per them there should be a column where they can tick their identity of Adivasis.  There are active campaigns among Adivasis groups to uphold their Adivasi identity in Census. As per them in the first census which was conducted in Independent India, the column, Aborigines, was there, which was later removed forcing them to club themselves with other religions.

After 1951 in addition to Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Jain and Buddha, the column ‘others’ was also there which was removed in 2011. Even during British period if you look at the censuses of the British era (from 1871 to 1931); there was provision for tribes to choose Aborigine as an option. There are nearly 83 religious practices being followed by Adivasis. Few major of these are Sarna, Gondi, Punem, Adi, and Koya. What they share in common is that they are animists, worship nature and spirit of ancestors; do not have priestly class or Holy Scriptures and Gods and Goddesses characteristic of the broad Hindu pantheon.

RSS as per its political agenda of Hindu Nation regards them as Vanvasi. They pontificate that they have been part of Hindu society who were driven away to forests to escape the forcible conversion being done by the Muslim invaders. This concoction is contrary to the interpretations based on the studies from population genetics. The Hindu nationalist argues that Aryans have been the original inhabitants of the country from where they spread to other parts of the World. The book by Tony Joseph, ‘Early Indians’ tells us that away from the race theory, we are all mixed up. The first inhabitants in our land were the ones who emigrated from South Asia over Sixty thousand years ago.

The Indo-Aryans came here nearly three thousand years ago and they pushed the aborigines to the forests and hills and that’s what constitutes the Adivasi community of India.

Hindu Nationalists like all the nationalists who construct their nationalism around their religion claim to be the most original inhabitants of the land, and their interpretations of past are molded according to that. RSS right from beginning has not been using the word Adivasi, it calls them Vanvasi. As per its agenda it wants them to be part of Hindu fold, despite Adivasis themselves saying that they are not Hindus, they have beliefs and practices which are far away from Hinduism in whatever form.

To enhance its political reach from the decades of 1980s in particular its work in Adivasis areas has been intensified. While ‘Vanvasis Kalyan Ashram’, part of RSS Combine which was formed much earlier, it was in the decades of 1980s that their work was jacked up by sending more Pracharaks in Adivasi areas. We see that in Gujarat, Dangs and nearby area, Swami Aseemanand, in MP, centered around Jhabua-the followers of Asaram Bapu and in Orissa Swami Laxmananad stationed them. They saw Christian missionaries working in the field of education and health as an obstacle to Hinduization of Adivasis. Their propaganda against Christian missionaries led to the ghastly murder of Pastor Graham Stains. It was this propaganda which led to anti Christian violence in various forms, the most horrific being the Kandhamal violence of 2008.

In order to culturally co-opt them into the fold of Hinduism they began series of religious congregations, Kumbhs. Shabri Kumbh in Dangs and many other Adivasis predominant areas created an atmosphere of fear, Adivasis were asked to be part of it, saffron flags were distributed and they were made to put it in their houses. Two religious icons were popularized in these areas, one was Shabri and other was Hanuman. To cap it all, Ekal Vidyalayas, started spreading RSS’s interpretation of history in these areas. The other angle of the whole thing is that Adivasis are living in the areas rich in minerals, which the BJP supporter Corporate World wants to take over.

World over aborigines have similar pattern. They are animists and what they practice is a culture as such. Many have converted to other religions out of their choice for sure, but finally in these matters what is important is the self perception. Hemant Soren the Chief Minister of Jharkhand pointed out that “Adivasis are not Hindus. ”Keeping that in mind; the column of Aborigines needs to find its place in our census forms.

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